Hungry Samurai sticks toothpick out of his mouth.

Japanese translation: 武士は食わねど高楊枝

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English term or phrase:Hungry Samurai sticks toothpick out of his mouth.
Japanese translation:武士は食わねど高楊枝
Entered by: Hiromi Kobayashi

03:55 Jun 11, 2004
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English term or phrase: Hungry Samurai sticks toothpick out of his mouth.
I would like to know what is an equivalent cliche in English. Due to the nature of this expression I would like to hear British colleagues' opinions as much as I can though I appreciate other English speaking professionals just as well.
The title is rough translation of Japanese common cliche and by itself makes no sense for most of you. So here's my explanation:
Samurai is Japanese equivalent of the "Knight" in England. He must have a lord to serve, to be employed. However under some circumstances he may be unable to have the lord (out of job). As a result this proud man go very hungry. But he is not supposed to show his hunger (or any human weakness for that matter as stoicism is one of his virtues), so he goes around outside with toothpick sticking out of his mouth not giving people a chance to think he is hungry. You may say that is a vain pride.
Is there similar cliche in Britain?
humbird
One must put on a brave display even in adversity.
Explanation:
On the following reference page, you can find these three similar phrases:

1)
One must put on a brave display even in adversity.
2)
Better go to bed supperless than rise in debt.
3)
It is better to go to bed supperless than to rise in debt.
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Hiromi Kobayashi
Japan
Local time: 09:07
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みなさんありがとうございました。まず最初にお礼をもうしあげます。そのうちRomromさんのものが探しているものにいちばん近いと思いましたが、2点しかあげられないのは、じつは私のミスで、English-EnglishにすべきところをまちがってEnglish-Japaneseのカテゴリーにしてしまったからです。ほんとうはネイティヴからうかがいたかったので。もとはいうまでもなく、daisukeさんが指摘してくださったとおりです。
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Summary of answers provided
5武士は食わねど高楊枝
Hiroyasu Satoh (X)
4One must put on a brave display even in adversity.
Hiromi Kobayashi
4Too proud to beg
Manako Ihaya
3Better go to bed supperless than rise in debt
miyot


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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
hungry samurai sticks toothpick out of his mouth.
武士は食わねど高楊枝


Explanation:
There is maximum held in Japan: 武士は食わねど高楊枝(Bushi-Wa Kuwanedo
Takayohji)
A samurai puts honor and pride above anything else.
A samurai, even when starving acts as if his stomach is full.
Maximum: One must put on a brave display even in adversity.
Referred to: EIJIRO

Hiroyasu Satoh (X)
Local time: 09:07
Native speaker of: Native in JapaneseJapanese
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
hungry samurai sticks toothpick out of his mouth.
Better go to bed supperless than rise in debt


Explanation:
I know you want answers from native speakers of English, but I couldn't help but search the internet for answers to your very interesting question. I found "Better go to bed supperless than rise in debt" in the first website (also in http://www.kikkoman.co.jp/homecook/chie/kotowaza/yu.html), and I also found "A proud heart in a poor breast has sorrows in life" in the second website below, though I didn't find many other examples.There was a different version that goes "A proud heart in a poor breast gives its owner little rest", too.
I've never heard these proverbs and am curious to know what native speakers think.
Also, when I did a search on the second one using the search terms "proud heart" and "poor breast", I found some websites on Scottish proverbs. Does it come from Scotland? Does anybody know?
One thing I noticed about the two proverbs is that both seem to clearly say that being too proud is bad, whereas the Japanese proverb does not necessarily say so; it kind of makes fun of a person who is too proud.


    Reference: http://www.hi-ho.ne.jp/~asawa/proverb.htm
    Reference: http://www.geocities.co.jp/HeartLand-Renge/3564/geodiary.htm...
miyot
Local time: 17:07
Native speaker of: Native in JapaneseJapanese
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
hungry samurai sticks toothpick out of his mouth.
One must put on a brave display even in adversity.


Explanation:
On the following reference page, you can find these three similar phrases:

1)
One must put on a brave display even in adversity.
2)
Better go to bed supperless than rise in debt.
3)
It is better to go to bed supperless than to rise in debt.



    Reference: http://www.geocities.co.jp/Bookend/5434/kotoba/ha/busitaka.h...
Hiromi Kobayashi
Japan
Local time: 09:07
Native speaker of: Native in JapaneseJapanese
PRO pts in category: 2
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みなさんありがとうございました。まず最初にお礼をもうしあげます。そのうちRomromさんのものが探しているものにいちばん近いと思いましたが、2点しかあげられないのは、じつは私のミスで、English-EnglishにすべきところをまちがってEnglish-Japaneseのカテゴリーにしてしまったからです。ほんとうはネイティヴからうかがいたかったので。もとはいうまでもなく、daisukeさんが指摘してくださったとおりです。
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12 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
hungry samurai sticks toothpick out of his mouth.
Too proud to beg


Explanation:
朝目覚めてこのフレーズが浮かびました。日常会話にも自然に使われるフレーズです。逆に"Ain't too proud to beg"なんて歌もありましたね。ちなみに"put on a brave display even in adversity"をGoogleすると日本語のサイト4件が見つかるだけですが(つまり、意味は通じても実際の英語圏ではcurrencyがない)"too proud to beg"は20,900件ありました。遅ればせながら、ご参考になれば、と思いまして。

Manako Ihaya
United States
Local time: 17:07
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Native speaker of: Native in JapaneseJapanese, Native in EnglishEnglish
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