Coroners and Justice Act

Croatian translation: Zakon o mrtvozorničkoj službi i kaznenim djelima, postupku i sankcijama

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English term or phrase:	Coroners and Justice Act
Croatian translation:	Zakon o mrtvozorničkoj službi i kaznenim djelima, postupku i sankcijama
Entered by:	John Farebrother

19:41 Aug 25, 2020

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English term or phrase: Coroners and Justice Act

The Coroners and Justice Act 2009 (c. 25) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. It changed the law on coroners and criminal justice in England and Wales.
Among its provisions are: criminalising the holding of someone in slavery or servitude, or requiring them to perform forced or compulsory labour.

John Farebrother
United Kingdom

Zakon o mrtvozorničkoj službi i kaznenim djelima, postupku i sankcijama

Explanation:
Zaista je teško točno prevesti ovaj zakon, zbog temeljnih razlika anglosaksonskog i kontinentalnog prava koje se najbolje očituju u ovom zakonu.
Pokušat ću ukratko objasniti zašto i kako sam došao do ovog odgovora.

U RH, kazneno pravo dijelimo na tri dijela: kazneno materijalno pravo, kazneno postupovno pravo i izvršno kazneno pravo. Sukladno tome, razlikujemo materijalni i postupovni dio i oni se ne miješaju u jednom zakonu, odnosno razdvajaju se na Kazneni zakon (materijalni, koji sadrži kaznena djela i sankcije za kaznena djela) i Zakon o kaznenom postupku (koji sadrži postupovne odredbe o kaznenom postupku).

Dakle, početni problem kod prijevoda ovog zakona je što se odnosi na mrtvozorništvo, kaznena djela, kazneni postupak, pa čak ima i elemenata izvršnog kaznenog prava, stoga je vrlo teško prevesti onaj "justice" dio.

Smatram da je najbolje rješenje za drugi dio, uzimajući u obzir sadržaj navedenog zakona, "kaznenim djelima, postupku i sankcijama" jer jasno obuhvaća što taj zakon uređuje, a i dalje se može reći da ulazi unutar širine pojma "justice".
Nikako na taj pojam ne možemo gledati kao o "pravdi" jer kontinentalno pravo ne poznaje pojam pravde, naime, niti Kazneni zakon niti Zakon o kaznenom postupku niti jednom ne navode pojam "pravde", stoga je ona irelevantna u kontinentalnom kaznenom pravu.

Što se dijela "coroners" tiče, ponovno uzimajući u obzir razlike anglosaksonsko/kontinentalno pravo, smatram da je najbolji izbor "mrtvozornička služba", budući da takav pojam dopušta šire tumačenje (analogno tome što u RH imamo razne službe u MUP-u, odnosno policiji, pa kada bi to bilo kod nas uređeno kao u anglosaksonskom pravu, tada bi to isto bila služba).

Umjesto "mrtvozorničkoj službi", nije pogrešno odabrati ni "mrtvozorništvu", međutim, moja je osobna preferencija ovo što sam naveo u odgovoru.

U nastavku nekoliko poveznica:

https://mup.gov.hr/ravnateljstvo-policije-281611/281611
https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazneno_pravo
http://www.vpz.hr/zupanijska-uprava/upravni-odjel-za-zdravst...
https://narodne-novine.nn.hr/clanci/sluzbeni/2011_04_46_1067...
https://gov.hr/moja-uprava/obitelj-i-zivot/smrt-i-nasljedjiv...

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Zakon o mrtvozorničkoj službi i kaznenim djelima, postupku i sankcijama

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Svječana sudska javna radnja (djelo) uz krunisanje lica (2009)

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Daryo

United Kingdom

So that it makes sense

16:12 Aug 30, 2020

to someone who hasn't got a clue about the UK legal system, and it doesn't end up being a short novel?

Ask me how to square a circle, it would be easier, I'm afraid ...

Besides the "justice" part, that is in fact a mish-mash of vaguely related amendments to pre-existing criminal legislation, "coroners" are as hard to translate.

As far as I know in Serbia determining the cause of death is exclusively the competence of medical experts qualified in forensic medicine, no jury whatsoever of any description involved. So the concept of "coroners" / "coroners court" who were created to counterbalance the powers of "sheriffs" makes in the Serbian legal system about as much sense as tales about Area 51.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coroner

https://www.judiciary.uk/about-the-judiciary/the-justice-sys...

Some short (and unavoidably imperfect explanation) + a reference to this law in English for those who want or need to know more?

John Farebrother

United Kingdom

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15:27 Aug 30, 2020

Tako je. Kako to onda izraziti na SH?

Daryo

United Kingdom

Even in English

11:34 Aug 26, 2020

"Coroners and Justice Act" is slightly cryptic; the "Coroners" part is self-explaining (at least if you are familiar with the UK legal system) while the "Justice" part is far from obvious.

The full/long title is more explanatory, but it doesn't make it any easier to translate:

An Act to amend the law relating to coroners, to investigation of deaths and to certification and registration of deaths; to amend the criminal law; to make provision about criminal justice and about dealing with offenders; to make provision about the Commissioner for Victims and Witnesses; to make provision relating to the security of court and other buildings; to make provision about legal aid and about payments for legal services provided in connection with employment matters; to make provision for payments to be made by offenders in respect of benefits derived from the exploitation of material pertaining to offences; to amend the Data Protection Act 1998; and for connected purposes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coroners_and_Justice_Act_2009

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coroner

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coroners and justice act Svječana sudska javna radnja (djelo) uz krunisanje lica (2009)

Explanation:
Preveo bih to, kao: "Svječana sudska javna radnja (djelo) uz krunisanje nadležnih lica (2009)", sve to, u vezi sa zakonom o Parlamentu.

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Poštovani, ako je "act" isključivo "zakon", a u pravu ste, jer je ovde velikim slovom riječ naznačena. Mada, može "act" da se prevede i kao "radnja" ili "djelo" ovisno od konteksta. Onda bi prijevod bio: Sudski istražitelji i Zakon o pravosudju (2009). Ispravka, što rijeći.

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"Coroners" su definitivno "sudski istražitelji", a riječ "coronation" može da se prevede kao "krunidba", "krunisanje", ali ipak kad bolje razmislim, ne bih do dovodio u vezu sa dotičnim tekstom.

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Radi se, sveobuhvaćno, o izmjenjenom Zakonu o sudskim istražiteljima i krivičnoj pravdi u Engleskoj i Velsu. Pozdrav

Ninoslav Matijevic
Serbia
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Asker: Act je zakon, a ne radnja

Asker: Zašto izmjenjen?

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Zakon o mrtvozorničkoj službi i kaznenim djelima, postupku i sankcijama

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