concatenación con el derecho

English translation: how it relates to the law

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Spanish term or phrase:concatenación con el derecho
English translation:how it relates to the law
Entered by: Lydia De Jorge

17:33 May 26, 2020
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law (general) / supreme court decision on a constitutional interpretation matter in Venezuela
Spanish term or phrase: concatenación con el derecho
I'm not quite clear on what "concatenación" conveys here. First I was thought of "sequence with the law" which makes no sense to me, so I'm now thinking "sequential (set of?) legal issues". Thoughts on this? Here's the text:

"(...) Luego de una investigación sobre diversos hechos comunicacionales y analizando su concatenación con el derecho, el presente recurso encuentra su génesis en una serie de actos de cuya subordinación al orden constitucional surgen inquietudes razonables y relevantes, emanados de un grupo de diputados de la Asamblea Nacional (...)
Seth Phillips
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how it relates to the law
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Summary of answers provided
3 +2legal implications
philgoddard
3 +2how it relates to the law
Lydia De Jorge
4 +1their conformity to the law / the legal basis for their issuance
Robert Carter
4 +1their relationship to the Law
TechLawDC
5concatenation
Ramon Armora
3 +1in accordance/conected to/in conformity with the laws
Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón
4abidance by the law
Francois Boye
4the degree to which they conform to (the) law
David Hollywood
3analysing their linkage / how they (such facts) string together / with the law
Adrian MM.
3compliance with the law / (legal connections)
Lisa Rosengard
3legal considerations
Michael Grabczan-Grabowski
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Taña Dalglish

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17 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
in accordance/conected to/in conformity with the laws


Explanation:
https://www.linguee.com/english-spanish/translation/in accor...

Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón
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neutral  philgoddard: This might make sense (I don't know) if it said "en concatenación con".
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agree  Ian Masica
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  -> Gracias Ian!
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30 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
legal implications


Explanation:
As Ramon says, concatenation means linkage. It seems a rather odd word to use here, but I'm not a native speaker, so I can't judge.

philgoddard
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neutral  Taña Dalglish: You've already said "concatenation" means linkage; linkage with legal implications??? Your being a non-native Spanish speaker is not relevant here, as you have an idea what it means in English.//Phil, I am saying you understand perfectly what it means!
31 mins
  -> Sorry, I don't understand your comments.

agree  Lester Tattersall
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agree  Michael Grabczan-Grabowski: Methinks this could work too. It's also a "linkage to the law" as much as "legal basis" is, although to be fair, I always see resoluciones de recursos referring to legal bases for all the arguments made rather than the latter's legal effects.
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how it relates to the law


Explanation:
My take

Lydia De Jorge
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neutral  philgoddard: I agree with this, but I beat you to it :-)
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  -> I didn't realize we were in a race... regardless, we both came in at 30 min. Stay safe.

agree  Lester Tattersall: Yes. Except that I'd say "how they relate..."
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  -> Thank you, Lester.

agree  Luis M. Sosa
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  -> Thank you, Luis.
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
su concatenación con el derecho
their conformity to the law / the legal basis for their issuance


Explanation:
Every act by a government authority usually has to tie in with a specific statute allowing or obliging it to perform the act. My understanding of the sentence is therefore that the party making the appeal looked into the various communications (hechos comunicacionales) by the authority, and whether they were compliant with the law, i.e., their "legality" or "legitimacy".

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What I'm trying to point out above all is that the construction "analizar su concatenación con el derecho" means "to see whether or not they are legal or have a legal grounding". The "whether or not" part is implicit here, but it's crucial to our understanding of what "concatenación" means; it's describing a process.

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agree  Michael Grabczan-Grabowski: If it were me, I'd also tend more toward "legal basis" than anything else. The original Spanish is somewhat vague and talking in general terms, so I don't see why "legal basis" couldn't logically work. I also think Phil's option can work too, though.
1 hr
  -> Thanks for asking, Michael. I'm inferring it from the asker's previous question, but more context would surely help, although the asker may be reluctant to provide it.
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
(analizando su) concatenación con el derecho
analysing their linkage / how they (such facts) string together / with the law


Explanation:
I an unsure these 'points of disclosure' or 'communicable facts' dovetail with the law, rather are subsumed thereunder and are classified according to such rules.

String together might be a way of reflecting the 'concatenation'-

Example sentence(s):
  • In formal language theory and computer programming, string concatenation is the operation of joining character strings end-to-end
  • To string together six theorems of physics by Pythagoras theorem.

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Adrian MM.
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Asker: Thanks Adrian, your answer makes a lot of sense for my text ;)

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abidance by the law


Explanation:
my take

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the degree to which they conform to (the) law


Explanation:
I would say

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or "with" as you wish

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anyway you have so much to choose from so again it's your call

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to what extent they are founded in law

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11 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
their relationship to the Law


Explanation:
(It should be understood that here "the Law" means statutes, regulations, guidelines, administrative decrees, administrative law decisions, case law, and (redundant here) Supreme Court case law.)
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I have read the other answers and feel that they are grammatically inapposite ("how it relates to the law"), unidiomatic ("conformity"; "legal basis"; "legal implications"), or far outside the author's intent ("compliance"; "linkage"; "concatenations"; etc.).


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agree  Marcelo González
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compliance with the law / (legal connections)


Explanation:
I found 'concatenación' to mean 'concatenation' or 'linking together' in my dictionary, so I chose 'connection' as a first definition. With the law study example I chose 'compliance' as a second definition and hope that it fits in with the example sentence.

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Another answer suggested for a translation of 'concatenación con el derecho' is 'founded on law'. This might cover and replace all of 'analizando su concatenación con el derecho' (on analyzing their compliance with the law (legal connections)) in the example sentence above.

Example sentence(s):
  • Luego de una investigación sobre diversos hechos comunicacionales y analizando su concatenación con el derecho,el presente recurso encuentra su génesis.
  • Following an investigation on various communicative deeds and on analyzing their compliance with the law (or legal connections) the present means (or methods) find their origin...
Lisa Rosengard
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15 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
concatenation


Explanation:
Ambas palabras tienen el mismo significado, yo lo mantendría literal,

Concatenar: Unir o enlazar dos o más cosas.
Concatenate: to link together in a series or chain

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concatenation with the law?

Lo que entiendo es que busca decir es que se analiza el enlace/conexión con la ley,

Entiendo que otros traductores lo cambiarían, pero a mi me gustan las cosas literales siempre que se pueda, no soy poeta, soy traductor.

Cualquier pregunta estoy a la orden.

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1. Enlazar o vincular hechos o ideas que guardan entre sí una relación lógica o de causa y efecto.
2. Unir diferentes cosas o acontecimientos en un mismo tiempo. el gobierno intenta concatenar sus esfuerzos para lograr una mejora de la economía del país.

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https://www.iustel.com/v2/revistas/detalle_revista.asp?id_no...


Mi seguridad es por la traducción literal, ambas palabras significan lo mismo, cuando escuchados un término poco tendemos a descartarlo.

Estoy de acuerdo en que no es necesariamente lo mejor, pero tu conoces el documento completo mejor que todos nosotros.

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https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-10th-circuit/1426821.html

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Este último link es de la Corte de Apelaciones de los EEUU, ahí utilizan concatenation literalmente por su significado, enlace, unión, etc.


    https://dle.rae.es/concatenar
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/concatenate
Ramon Armora
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Notes to answerer
Asker: "con el derecho"?

Asker: Pues la traducción literal no funciona, es esencial transmitir el sentido del origen.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  TechLawDC: "Concatenation with the law" and "concatenation of the facts" are terms I have never seen in the many thousands of legal cases I have read in English. Seems like a solipsism. Do you have examples that would justify your "5" rating?
11 hrs
  -> Check the last link, concatenation is used by Judge Harris Hartz, I'm guessing he knows more than we do... so, no solipsism here. (link in the notes)
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legal considerations


Explanation:
This would be my suggestion, as per the discussion.

Michael Grabczan-Grabowski
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Reference comments


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Reference information:
Doxa. Cuadernos de Filosofía del Derecho. N. 42 (2019) - RUArua.ua.es › dspace › bitstream › DOXA_42PDF
necessary*** connection between the Law, on the one hand,** and a given ... una **concatenación** de hechos que, en última instancia, se fundamentan en el poder18.

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https://rua.ua.es/dspace/bitstream/10045/99656/1/DOXA_42.pdf

https://www.lexico.com/definition/concatenation
a series of interconnected things.

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Seth:
I looked up the definition of "hecho comunicacional" (hecho notorio judicial).

Consideraciones sobre el “hecho comunicacional” como ...allanbrewercarias.net › Content › II, ...
PDF
lo 6 de la Ley Orgánica de Amparo sobre Derechos y Garantías Constitu- cionales ... tituía un “hecho comunicacional” (“hecho notorio judicial”) que no re-.

hecho notorio judicial (aquel que le consta al juez o tribunal de la causa, no por virtud de su ciencia general, sino por haber resuelto otros asuntos similares anteriormente) y su posible invocación en el ámbito del derecho fundamental a la igualdad en la aplicación de la ley, http://hj.tribunalconstitucional.es/en/Resolucion/Show/25520
---legal fact (that which is known to the judge or court of the case, not by virtue of its general science, but because it has resolved other similar cases previously) and its possible invocation in the field of the fundamental right to equality in the application of the law-


Your text:
Luego de una investigación sobre diversos hechos comunicacionales y analizando su concatenación con el derecho, el presente recurso encuentra su génesis en una serie de actos de cuya subordinación al orden constitucional surgen inquietudes razonables y relevantes, emanados de un grupo de diputados de la Asamblea Nacional (..

Following a review of various verbal statements and analyzing (the legal facts) and their interconnection within the ambit of the law ... finds its genesis in a series of acts whose .... to the consitutional order which gives rise to reasonable and relevant concerns emanating from a group of deputies of the National assembly (...).

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