de non contre-indication à

English translation: there are no (apparent) contraindications to running in competition

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French term or phrase:de non contre-indication à
English translation:there are no (apparent) contraindications to running in competition
Entered by: Yvonne Gallagher

10:00 Dec 28, 2019
French to English translations [PRO]
Medical - Sports / Fitness / Recreation / marathon
French term or phrase: de non contre-indication à
Hello,

"Les non-licenciés devront présenter un certificat médical de non contre-indication à la pratique de la course à pied en compétition lors du retrait des dossards."

This is also on the medical certificate.

My own attempt sounds unnatural, i'm also unsure of the wording that is used in this particular context.
I don't like this at all:"should present a medical certificate of no contraindication to taking part in competitive racing "

I would really appreciate your help!

Thank you so much.
Louisa Tchaicha
Tunisia
Local time: 06:16
there are no contra-indications to running in competition
Explanation:
must present a medical certificate stating that there are no contra-indications to running in competition

This the wording in quite a few places in English
https://www.londondoctorsclinic.co.uk/services/sporting-medi...

"The certificate must state there are no contra-indications to running in competition"

https://www.schneiderelectricparismarathon.com/en/registrati...

“no contra-indication to running in competition.”

the medical certificate must state (that) there are no contra-indications to running in competition...

of course the informal way of saying this is just "present a medical certificate stating you are fit to compete".

(5CL really but not recommended on Kudoz)


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Very glad to have helped. I truly believe that it's best practice to match the register, particularly where something may end up being disputed in court.

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Otherwise I'd have used the informal rendering I'd offered at the end of my answer.

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And Happy New Year to all!
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Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
Local time: 05:16
Grading comment
Thank you so much Yvonne :)
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Summary of answers provided
4 +4that you are fit to compete
B D Finch
4 +3there are no contra-indications to running in competition
Yvonne Gallagher
5does not reveal any indication against the practise of running in competition
Nicolas Gambardella
3 +2Clearance
ormiston
Summary of reference entries provided
Contraindication
Wolf Draeger

Discussion entries: 17





  

Answers


1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
does not reveal any indication against the practise of running in competition


Explanation:
Source : formulaire officiel de certificat médical pour participer aux courses de l'UTMB

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https://utmbmontblanc.com/espace_coureur.php?req=getCertifCo...

Nicolas Gambardella
United Kingdom
Local time: 05:16
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you!


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  B D Finch: Awkwardly verbose and copied from an extremely poor translation that doesn't look like the work of a professional translator.//Or grammar and punctuation?
1 hr
  -> Yup. But that has been the official translation for years. And this is the Olympic games of trail running. Translation is not always about esthetics. .

neutral  Yvonne Gallagher: not idiomatic English and "practiSe" is a verb
1 hr
  -> Agreed. The typo was actually mine.

neutral  Daryo: "official" or not, this translation is in serious need of some improvements
12 hrs
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
that you are fit to compete


Explanation:
I think that this would be worded positively in English, rather than negatively.

https://forums.runnersworld.co.uk › Events
Feb 20, 2009 - 12 posts - ‎6 authors
The Organisers have requestd a Medical Certificate - Is this ... just a letter from your GP stating that you are fit to compete in a running race.

https://www.runnersforum.co.uk › Forums › Regional Events › Overseas
Jul 27, 2015 - is in good health and fit to compete in a competitive orienteering race ... (ex D.M. 18 febbraio 1982) to obtain a medical certificate of fitness for

https://www.trawdenac.co.uk › reports
Mar 9, 2017 - ... still required a medical certificate confirming I was fit to compete. ... as a Trawden runner - then took a few photos before we got ready to go.

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I've realised that should be correcte to: that they are fit to compete for your context.

B D Finch
France
Local time: 06:16
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 37
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you!


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Yvonne Gallagher: informal way of saying it, not same register as the ST//So now you're telling doctors what they "should say"? This is not just informal but ambiguous.
12 mins
  -> It is used in official contexts, not just informally. As one cannot prove a negative, a doctor should only say "I have not found ...", not "there are no ..." However, this positive version is more natural and usual in English.

agree  Wolf Draeger: Yes, you don't "contraindicate" running; the ST term is inapt jargon verging on gibberish.
2 hrs
  -> Thanks Wolf. That's what it looked like to me too.

agree  Verginia Ophof
2 hrs
  -> Thanks Verginia

agree  philgoddard
3 hrs
  -> Thanks phil

neutral  Daryo: there is a not so small grey area between "there are no reasons to prevent you from participating" (= you are likely to survive the race) and "being fit" as in "you can keep the tempo of the race, maybe even win" - you are shifting the meaning.
10 hrs
  -> You misunderstand the meaning of the word "fit". In this context, it only means in adequate physical condition, nothing more than that.

agree  erwan-l
21 hrs
  -> Thanks erwan
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
Clearance


Explanation:
A bit of sleuthing has produced this!

https://emedicine.medscape.com › 8...
Résultats Web
Sports Physicals: Overview, Timing, Frequency, and Types of Evaluations ...

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MEDICAL CLEARANCE Certificate or letter

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...

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Having medical clearance implies some sort of official /doctor's note, making the translation less clunky!

ormiston
Local time: 06:16
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you!


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Yolanda Broad
2 hrs

agree  Cyril Tollari: Medical clearance
21 hrs
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
there are no contra-indications to running in competition


Explanation:
must present a medical certificate stating that there are no contra-indications to running in competition

This the wording in quite a few places in English
https://www.londondoctorsclinic.co.uk/services/sporting-medi...

"The certificate must state there are no contra-indications to running in competition"

https://www.schneiderelectricparismarathon.com/en/registrati...

“no contra-indication to running in competition.”

the medical certificate must state (that) there are no contra-indications to running in competition...

of course the informal way of saying this is just "present a medical certificate stating you are fit to compete".

(5CL really but not recommended on Kudoz)


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Note added at 3 days 5 hrs (2019-12-31 15:37:01 GMT) Post-grading
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Very glad to have helped. I truly believe that it's best practice to match the register, particularly where something may end up being disputed in court.

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Note added at 3 days 5 hrs (2019-12-31 15:38:29 GMT) Post-grading
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Otherwise I'd have used the informal rendering I'd offered at the end of my answer.

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Note added at 3 days 5 hrs (2019-12-31 15:41:59 GMT) Post-grading
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And Happy New Year to all!

Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
Local time: 05:16
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16
Grading comment
Thank you so much Yvonne :)
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you!


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Tony M
6 hrs
  -> Thank you!

agree  Daryo: the whole of "a medical certificate stating that there are no contra-indications to running in competition" // that simply means the runner will most likely not drop dead in the middle of the race, nothing more - not any level of real "fitness".
10 hrs
  -> Thanks:-) Yes, no exaggerated claims on fitness being made, simply that there appear to be no serious (health) reasons why the individual cannot participate in a race or other sporting activity

agree  Ph_B (X): that in this case, it is better to keep as close to the source text as possible (see discussion), as shown in the examples you have provided.
18 hrs
  -> Thanks:-) Yes, agree with your Dbox entry

neutral  philgoddard: Your references are translations, and your answer is way longer than BD's.//They are translations - the wording comes from the French event organizers.
18 hrs
  -> A London clinic can come up with their own wording!! It's not a translation. And "longer" often necessary to rule out ambiguous wording for a document that may wind up in court (in insurance claim)
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Reference comments


2 days 3 hrs
Reference: Contraindication

Reference information:
Some dictionary defs of contraindicate:

ODE/NOAD Medicine (of a condition or circumstance) suggest or indicate that (a particular technique or drug) should not be used in the case in question

Collins medicine To advise against or indicate the possible danger of (a drug, treatment, etc)

Chambers 1. To point to (a particular treatment or procedure) as unsuitable or unwise (medicine) 2. To show or give as reason for not being, doing or having, etc 3. To forbid

AHD To indicate the inadvisability of (a medical treatment, for example)

Merriam-Webster to make (a treatment or procedure) inadvisable

Collins & Chambers do allow for a broader use of the term, but I think sensible usage would stick to "advising against a treatment, procedure or medicine that might otherwise be recommended", else it risks becoming a loose synonym for "bad for your health" or "not a good idea" which would rob it of its specific meaning in clinical terminology.

For what they're worth, the Wikipedia refs also stick to a clinical context.


    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contraindication
    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indication_(medicine)
Wolf Draeger
South Africa
Native speaker of: English
Note to reference poster
Asker: Thank you Wolf :)

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