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Explanation: As Germaine noted, "de son fait personnel" renvoie à XYZ, in other words the "fait personnel" in question is XYZ's.
XYZ seems to be guaranteeing Client's peaceful enjoyment of the software, but only to the extent that XYZ actually can guarantee it. XYZ obviously can't guarantee that no third-party virus, hacker, equipment breakdown, or other outside influence will interfere with Client's peaceful enjoyment of this software. All XYZ can do is promise not to do anything itself that would interfere with client's peaceful enjoyment.
but that's not really comparable with what is said in this ST.
If you don't flinch at the idea of "boots" (as in booting sector of a hard disk) and "cookies" happily residing in your computer, why would you find "quiet enjoyment" of software so odd? I can see the analogy with "quiet enjoyment" of a rented property, and don't find it overstretched, not at all.
Ph_B (X)
France
[off-topic]
12:22 May 29, 2019
Re: (je ne suis pas dans la course aux points) This is not about points. Kudoz was set up originally in order to build a glossary and that point system was added afterwards, if I remember correctly. Anything posted in the discussion field is wasted in that sense as discussion posts are less visible than actual answers, whether selected or not. If points are an issue or not wanted, the best way of getting rid of them is to close one’s account regularly (once a year, for instance, if it's a paying account) and to open a new one on the following day. All points will have gone, while the corresponding answers, if selected, will still be included in the glossary.
That "the person in "de son fait personnel" is in fact XYZ" was my first point: à cause de la virgule, « de son fait personnel » renvoie à XYZ". No need to scratch the surface there.
"Nonsense legalese" is in the eye of the reader; the more you read, the more you learn and trust me, the more "nonsense" becomes a very relative notion! So yes, "quiet enjoyment" looks odd to me here, but I didn’t "start by assuming" it was wrong: I checked first. And discovered this new (to me) use of the notion. Je trouve toujours que "ça n’a pas sa place dans la phrase", mais force m’est d’admettre l’usage (cf. reference) et surtout, que le sens de chaque mot ne fait pas de cet usage un non-sens; seule notre habitude de les voir dans un contexte différent rend cet usage incongru. No problem there: I didn’t deleted the expression, did I? I stumbled when, after reading the sentence correctly, I discarded the idea that any breach of quiet enjoyment could come from XYZ.
if you scratch a bit under the surface, it turns out that the "person" in "de son fait personnel" is in fact Mr XYZ, the one selling/licencing the software to the Client, NOT the Client.
You do occasionally stumble on nonsense legalese, but that's rare enough that when something looks odd to you you don't start by assuming that it's wrong, like: "quiet enjoyment" (jouissance paisible) ça n’a pas sa place dans cette phrase".
Research instead of assumptions => there is such a thing as "jouissance paisible du Logiciel".
Thinking of it, if software development has "borrowed" the terminology originally created for building very tangible construction projects - houses, factories and office blocks, what is so surprising that it has also incorporated "jouissance paisible" in its jargon?
Thanks, but you can’t "split" points and besides, there’s no need (je ne suis pas dans la course aux points). I am really impressed by the fact that you client confirmed the meaning of the comma in this sentence though. C’est tellement rare de nos jours que j’étais tout à fait prête à l’ignorer pour reporter la chose sur le client (comme vous avez pu le lire!).
Hello Germaine, can you provide an answer below so I can award points? Everyone was very helpful but if possible, given the client reply in this case, I would like to split points between you and Eliza if possible. Thanks to all.
Ici, « de son fait personnel » = lorsqu’il l’utilise. "Mon fait (personnel)", c’est ce que j’ai fait/causé moi-même. Comme dans : « le fait d’autrui » = ce qui est fait/causé par autrui (à ceci près qu’on ne parle pas ici de faute ou de responsabilité). Cf. aussi « être le fait de » - to be the work of (R&C).
En principe, à cause de la virgule, « de son fait personnel » renvoie à XYZ. On aurait donc quelque chose comme: XYZ [personally] guarantees/warrants to Client quiet enjoyment (!) of the Software, ce qui m’apparaît plutôt incongru parlant d’une société. Si c’est vraiment ce qu’on veut dire, "XYZ warrants to Client quiet enjoyment of the Software suffit pleinement à la tâche.
Je pense qu’on vise l’usage par le client direct (par opposition à un client "indirect" suite à une cession/un piratage du logiciel). Le cas échéant, je pense à quelque chose comme: « …quiet enjoyment of [its use] of the Software » or « ..., as [used][provided for] locally », selon le contexte.
Explanation: I'm pretty sure this is the meaning. XYZ is personally liable to the customer for the correct operation of the software. I don't think quiet/peaceful enjoyment works here - I associate that with property law.
philgoddard United States Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 317
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you, that makes sense in this type of contract, I think you are rigth, and such a quick reply.
