Fora de eu pensar e de haver quaisquer pensamentos

English translation: Beyond my thinking and any thought (that exists)

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Portuguese term or phrase:Fora de eu pensar e de haver quaisquer pensamentos
English translation:Beyond my thinking and any thought (that exists)
Entered by: Oliver Simões

11:30 Dec 22, 2018
Portuguese to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Poetry & Literature
Portuguese term or phrase: Fora de eu pensar e de haver quaisquer pensamentos
Not sure how to translate this line without adding or subtracting anything. The PT structure is very grammatical ("fora de eu pensar e de haver quaisquer pensamentos"). So, the translation would have to be as grammatical, IMHO. Of course, "me thinking" is not an option; it would seem like a grammatical mismatch. Maybe "my thinking"? Apart from? Aside from?

"A Realidade é apenas real e não pensada.
O Universo não é uma ideia minha.
A minha ideia do Universo é que é uma ideia minha.
A noite não anoitece pelos meus olhos.
A minha ideia da noite é que anoitece por meus olhos.
Fora de eu pensar e de haver quaisquer pensamentos
A noite anoitece concretamente
E o fulgor das estrelas existe como se tivesse peso."
Oliver Simões
United States
Local time: 05:24
Beyond my "thinking"/"own imagination" and any thought
Explanation:
You could say "thinking" probably but I personally don't think it sounds very attractive in English, if anything it sounds clumsy to me. Therefore, I would go with a synonym for this, but the choice is yours.

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Note added at 1 day 23 hrs (2018-12-24 11:24:04 GMT)
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How about "the night's radiance lingers"?

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Note added at 1 day 23 hrs (2018-12-24 11:27:22 GMT)
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Other synonyms, if you don't like "musings" or "imagination" would be:

"sober reflection" / "personal reflection" (here I think that a qualifying adjective avoids any potential confusion with physical reflection (as in a mirror).

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Note added at 2 days 2 mins (2018-12-24 11:32:27 GMT)
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Note: Beyond "my own reflection" would not work IMO, which is the reason for my qualifying-adjectives, because "own reflection" would normally allude to to looking in a mirror and seeing "ones own reflection" - so if you do use reflection, be careful.

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Note added at 2 days 3 mins (2018-12-24 11:33:51 GMT)
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...that is to say that "adj + reflection" is better to avoid suggestion of a mirror-reflection.

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Note added at 2 days 4 mins (2018-12-24 11:34:53 GMT)
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Another option is "reasoning":

"Beyond my thoughts and any other reasoning"....
Selected response from:

Lara Barnett
United Kingdom
Local time: 12:24
Grading comment
Lara, Thank you for your insights. I picked "beyond my thinking", it seems more appropriate. I found several examples of it, including a biblical reference: https://www.hiskingdomprophecy.com/go-beyond-your-last-place-of-repentance/ Also, thank you all for your suggestions and comments.
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Summary of answers provided
4Notwithstanding my thinking or the existence of any thoughts
Mario Freitas
4Other than my thinking or having any thoughts
Katarina Peters
3 +1Beyond my "thinking"/"own imagination" and any thought
Lara Barnett
3Apart from my thinking and regardless any other thought
Hilton F Santos


Discussion entries: 3





  

Answers


2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Notwithstanding my thinking or the existence of any thoughts


Explanation:
Sugestão

Mario Freitas
Brazil
Local time: 09:24
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Other than my thinking or having any thoughts


Explanation:
my suggestion

Katarina Peters
Canada
Local time: 08:24
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PRO pts in category: 76
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
Apart from my thinking and regardless any other thought


Explanation:
Sugestão

Hilton F Santos
Brazil
Local time: 09:24
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36 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Beyond my "thinking"/"own imagination" and any thought


Explanation:
You could say "thinking" probably but I personally don't think it sounds very attractive in English, if anything it sounds clumsy to me. Therefore, I would go with a synonym for this, but the choice is yours.

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Note added at 1 day 23 hrs (2018-12-24 11:24:04 GMT)
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How about "the night's radiance lingers"?

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Note added at 1 day 23 hrs (2018-12-24 11:27:22 GMT)
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Other synonyms, if you don't like "musings" or "imagination" would be:

"sober reflection" / "personal reflection" (here I think that a qualifying adjective avoids any potential confusion with physical reflection (as in a mirror).

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Note added at 2 days 2 mins (2018-12-24 11:32:27 GMT)
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Note: Beyond "my own reflection" would not work IMO, which is the reason for my qualifying-adjectives, because "own reflection" would normally allude to to looking in a mirror and seeing "ones own reflection" - so if you do use reflection, be careful.

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Note added at 2 days 3 mins (2018-12-24 11:33:51 GMT)
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...that is to say that "adj + reflection" is better to avoid suggestion of a mirror-reflection.

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Note added at 2 days 4 mins (2018-12-24 11:34:53 GMT)
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Another option is "reasoning":

"Beyond my thoughts and any other reasoning"....

Lara Barnett
United Kingdom
Local time: 12:24
Meets criteria
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 26
Grading comment
Lara, Thank you for your insights. I picked "beyond my thinking", it seems more appropriate. I found several examples of it, including a biblical reference: https://www.hiskingdomprophecy.com/go-beyond-your-last-place-of-repentance/ Also, thank you all for your suggestions and comments.
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you, Liz. I thought so. I'm trying to keep the proportion between the lines about the same. In this case, I'll probably having to stretch it a little. How does this sound? Beyond my thinking and any thought that exists The night goes dark concretely And the stars' radiance exists as if it had a weight. I don't necessarily like the repetition of "exists", but I can't think of anything else.

Asker: Correction: I'll probably HAVE... By proportion, I mean the length of the lines.

Asker: Sorry, Lara, about the confusion. I called you Liz. :-)


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Domini Lucas: I agree with “beyond”. “Musing(s)” might sound poetic, but, structurally, would have the same issues as “thinking”.
1 day 15 hrs
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