qui externaliserait leur prise en charge

English translation: to externalise processing of asylum seekers

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French term or phrase:qui externaliserait leur prise en charge
English translation:to externalise processing of asylum seekers
Entered by: Lara Barnett

14:23 Sep 18, 2018
French to English translations [Non-PRO]
Social Sciences - General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters / Political newspaper artic
French term or phrase: qui externaliserait leur prise en charge
I am confused who "qui" is referring to, I know the clue should be in this final phrase, but I am still confused because I am unsure what "prise en charge" refers to here.

La solution ne saurait résider, comme certains sur le continent le prônent désormais sans fard, dans une Europe sans demandeurs d'asile qui externaliserait leur prise en charge vers la rive sud de la Méditerranée.
Lara Barnett
United Kingdom
Local time: 13:42
to externalise processing of asylum seekers
Explanation:
I agree with the information and explanations provided by Phil and Germaine in the discussion section. My suggestion is one way of expressing the idea, if you consider that "prise en charge" which means '"taking care of'" in the sense of dealing with, handling or processing here. I admit that I find the term "processing (and handling, and dealing with) rather dehumanising. However, it does seem to be a term that is employed in this specific context.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/news/potential-and-pitfalls-...

The article is precisely on the topic of externalising asylum claims elsewhere than in Europe:

"Much attention has focused recently on “external processing” of asylum claims, and the possibility of the European Union (EU) establishing processing centers in North Africa or elsewhere to manage asylum seekers and migrants traveling to Europe."

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To make it sound less dehumanised, which bothers me, you could say "to externalise the processing of asylum seekers applications".
I prefer to read of applications being processed rather than people!

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Note added at 4 hrs (2018-09-18 19:11:58 GMT)
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"seekers' applications"

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Note added at 4 hrs (2018-09-18 19:20:49 GMT)
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If it is not about processing asylum applications and more generally about "dealing with asylum seekers", then avoid using "processing" of people, which is horrible! In that case, do use something more general and directly appropriate and applicable for people. ;-) Your wider context should inform you on which is relevant.

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Note added at 8 hrs (2018-09-18 22:36:26 GMT)
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The verb "externalize" is used in psychology (externalizing behaviour, for example) and, as François points out, to describe the open expression of thoughts too. "Externalize" was the precursor of "to outsource". Using the same source as François https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/exter... but lower down on the same page, there are management and financial applications of the same term (externalizing of costs, for example). To that extent, "to externalize" and the noun "externalization" are synonymous with "to outsource" and "outsourcing". In the case of migration, however, the term "externalization" is the correct term when used as below.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/12/06/impact-externalization-m...

"Part I: What is Externalization of Migration Controls?
Externalization of migration controls describes extraterritorial State actions to prevent migrants, including asylum-seekers, from entering the legal jurisdictions or territories of destination countries or regions or of making them legally inadmissible without individually considering the merits of their protection claims. These actions include unilateral, bilateral, and multilateral State engagement (see Gammeltoft-Hansen 2011; see also, Crépeau 2013), as well as the enlistment of private actors. These can include direct interdiction and preventive policies,[4] as well as more indirect actions, such as the provision of support for or assistance to security or migration management practices in and by third countries.[5]"

Thus, when it comes to migration policy, "externalization" has a specific meaning and is used in English original-language texts on the subject to be understood as above. My first source at the start of this post uses the nounn "externalization" in the same way.

"Externalization" within the framework of migration policy has nothing to do with "outsourcing" and everything to do with actions undertaken by states to control entry of asylum seekers, pushing controls back to the edges of

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Note added at 8 hrs (2018-09-18 22:36:48 GMT)
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(oops)... of a particular area, here, Europe.

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Note added at 8 hrs (2018-09-18 22:38:27 GMT)
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The term "outsourcing" is not a synonym for this meaning of "externalization".

Now let me see if the verb "to externalizze" can be used in the same way as the noun when we're talking about migration policY.

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Note added at 8 hrs (2018-09-18 22:55:55 GMT)
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Yes it can. Here are some examples.

https://www.routledge.com/Externalizing-Migration-Management...

https://academic.oup.com/jrs/article-abstract/31/2/216/47179...

"Abstract
In the past 25 years, European migration policy has been externalized, resulting in a bifurcation of human movement. This has become clearly visible in the context of Syrian refugees."


https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev-lawsoc...


http://www.antigone.gr/files/en/library/selected-publication...

(p.14)

"Interestingly though we note that externalization is multi-levelled and takes place also
within the EU. First, countries farther north and west externalize the EU migration and asylum
control protocol to the islands in the south. This happens through the Dublin II (and III)
Regulation and the related implementation of the ‘first safe country’ principle. In other words it
happens through gate-keeping policies. Second, there are the manipulations of the Schengen
area provisions so that multiple fencing takes place: when Italy gave temporary permits to
displaced Tunisians, France threatened to close its border with Italy to avoid that these
Tunisians with temporary stay papers could migrate to France. Third, in the case of the Aegean
and the Canary islands, this intra-EU externalization process is also enacted through Frontex
participation in fencing operations: Frontex officers operate at the Canary and African coasts to
prevent migrants from arriving to the islands at all. Frontex officers in the Maltese coasts and
at the Aegean islands transform the islands as the places where European control is
externalized. The islands are the places where fencing takes places, but they are made to be the
loci of fencing because of the gate-keeping policies enacted at the EU level. "

Looks Greek, but is in fact a Canadian academic publication.

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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Local time: 14:42
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Summary of answers provided
5outsourcing their duties
Jonathan Cohen
4 +1to externalise processing of asylum seekers
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
4that would outsource its share of responsibility for them
Francois Boye


Discussion entries: 3





  

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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
outsourcing their duties


Explanation:
or care

Jonathan Cohen
Canada
Local time: 08:42
Does not meet criteria
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Francois Boye: which duties?
1 hr

neutral  Nikki Scott-Despaigne: I read this to be about processing applications for asylum and not duties. Also, it is about Europe trying to push back the application process to the very edges of Europe or beyond, not outsourcing in a commercial sense.
2 hrs
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
that would outsource its share of responsibility for them


Explanation:
https://actalliance.eu/news-post/eu-must-take-its-share-of-r...

Francois Boye
United States
Local time: 08:42
Does not meet criteria
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 41

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Nikki Scott-Despaigne: I think it is a little more specific than "responsibility", more about handling applications for asylum. I also think that "outsource" is slightly commercial for this context.//I don't use "externalise" here, but a noun wld be better. See add. note.
59 mins
  -> The verb 'to externalise' is inappropriate.
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
externaliser le prise en charge de demandeurs d'asile
to externalise processing of asylum seekers


Explanation:
I agree with the information and explanations provided by Phil and Germaine in the discussion section. My suggestion is one way of expressing the idea, if you consider that "prise en charge" which means '"taking care of'" in the sense of dealing with, handling or processing here. I admit that I find the term "processing (and handling, and dealing with) rather dehumanising. However, it does seem to be a term that is employed in this specific context.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/news/potential-and-pitfalls-...

The article is precisely on the topic of externalising asylum claims elsewhere than in Europe:

"Much attention has focused recently on “external processing” of asylum claims, and the possibility of the European Union (EU) establishing processing centers in North Africa or elsewhere to manage asylum seekers and migrants traveling to Europe."

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 4 hrs (2018-09-18 19:11:18 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

To make it sound less dehumanised, which bothers me, you could say "to externalise the processing of asylum seekers applications".
I prefer to read of applications being processed rather than people!

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 4 hrs (2018-09-18 19:11:58 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

"seekers' applications"

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 4 hrs (2018-09-18 19:20:49 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

If it is not about processing asylum applications and more generally about "dealing with asylum seekers", then avoid using "processing" of people, which is horrible! In that case, do use something more general and directly appropriate and applicable for people. ;-) Your wider context should inform you on which is relevant.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 8 hrs (2018-09-18 22:36:26 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

The verb "externalize" is used in psychology (externalizing behaviour, for example) and, as François points out, to describe the open expression of thoughts too. "Externalize" was the precursor of "to outsource". Using the same source as François https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/exter... but lower down on the same page, there are management and financial applications of the same term (externalizing of costs, for example). To that extent, "to externalize" and the noun "externalization" are synonymous with "to outsource" and "outsourcing". In the case of migration, however, the term "externalization" is the correct term when used as below.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/12/06/impact-externalization-m...

"Part I: What is Externalization of Migration Controls?
Externalization of migration controls describes extraterritorial State actions to prevent migrants, including asylum-seekers, from entering the legal jurisdictions or territories of destination countries or regions or of making them legally inadmissible without individually considering the merits of their protection claims. These actions include unilateral, bilateral, and multilateral State engagement (see Gammeltoft-Hansen 2011; see also, Crépeau 2013), as well as the enlistment of private actors. These can include direct interdiction and preventive policies,[4] as well as more indirect actions, such as the provision of support for or assistance to security or migration management practices in and by third countries.[5]"

Thus, when it comes to migration policy, "externalization" has a specific meaning and is used in English original-language texts on the subject to be understood as above. My first source at the start of this post uses the nounn "externalization" in the same way.

"Externalization" within the framework of migration policy has nothing to do with "outsourcing" and everything to do with actions undertaken by states to control entry of asylum seekers, pushing controls back to the edges of

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 8 hrs (2018-09-18 22:36:48 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

(oops)... of a particular area, here, Europe.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 8 hrs (2018-09-18 22:38:27 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

The term "outsourcing" is not a synonym for this meaning of "externalization".

Now let me see if the verb "to externalizze" can be used in the same way as the noun when we're talking about migration policY.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 8 hrs (2018-09-18 22:55:55 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Yes it can. Here are some examples.

https://www.routledge.com/Externalizing-Migration-Management...

https://academic.oup.com/jrs/article-abstract/31/2/216/47179...

"Abstract
In the past 25 years, European migration policy has been externalized, resulting in a bifurcation of human movement. This has become clearly visible in the context of Syrian refugees."


https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev-lawsoc...


http://www.antigone.gr/files/en/library/selected-publication...

(p.14)

"Interestingly though we note that externalization is multi-levelled and takes place also
within the EU. First, countries farther north and west externalize the EU migration and asylum
control protocol to the islands in the south. This happens through the Dublin II (and III)
Regulation and the related implementation of the ‘first safe country’ principle. In other words it
happens through gate-keeping policies. Second, there are the manipulations of the Schengen
area provisions so that multiple fencing takes place: when Italy gave temporary permits to
displaced Tunisians, France threatened to close its border with Italy to avoid that these
Tunisians with temporary stay papers could migrate to France. Third, in the case of the Aegean
and the Canary islands, this intra-EU externalization process is also enacted through Frontex
participation in fencing operations: Frontex officers operate at the Canary and African coasts to
prevent migrants from arriving to the islands at all. Frontex officers in the Maltese coasts and
at the Aegean islands transform the islands as the places where European control is
externalized. The islands are the places where fencing takes places, but they are made to be the
loci of fencing because of the gate-keeping policies enacted at the EU level. "

Looks Greek, but is in fact a Canadian academic publication.



Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Local time: 14:42
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 119

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  ormiston
1 hr

neutral  Francois Boye: The point is not so muich an administrative issue as the demand that African immigrants be kept out of Europe// in addition, the verb externalize is inappropriate; see the following:https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/exter...
2 hrs
  -> Yes, it would be better as a noun, altho your own reference provides aother meaning of the verb "to externalise". See add. notes in which I have posted examples of the verb "exteralize" being used in migration policy and border control publications.
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