auteur du placement dans le statut de la copropriété

23:42 Mar 1, 2018 

would not understand "condominium" it's so US

09:12 Feb 21, 2018 

@Allegro... I regularly use this word, having struggled with what to put for years! I use it only when the French clearly means a countable noun and a legal entity in its own right. There is no equivalent (yet) to this in UK law: Commonhold is a recent invention and is actually a legal *status* which applies to individual flats. Whereas "une copropriété" is created and can be abolished. There are hundreds of discussions on the term in these archives...

03:06 Feb 21, 2018 

for the purpose of this document the party qualified as being "la requérante" is defined by what it is requesting: "placer [la propriété/l'immeuble] dans le statut [juridique] de la copropriété", NOT by its name nor by some other role that it may be also playing in the whole story (new/old owner ...).

Even if we know who this party is, it's not a good idea to just instead put the name of that party.

As a parallel, if the ST says "the driver of this vehicle" even if we know for sure that Mike or John is the driver, the translation still has to be "le conducteur de ce véhicule".

00:05 Feb 21, 2018 

I don't think we can assume that the developer created the status of co-ownership (I personally would not use 'condominium' for UK/European English); it could for example be the original owner; i.e. he/she/it buys the entire development then splits it into co-ownership units.

20:06 Feb 20, 2018 

"the party responsible for putting the whole shenanigans [this whole development / property] into a formal status of co-ownership [presumably by changing the sole ownership of the developer into co-ownership of smaller lots to be sold to future co-owners - dividing the Land registry entry in lots of smaller entries/titles - one per flat, with all the attached "covenants" - restrictions on allowed future use]"

You clarified a point that initially wasn't obvious - it's about turning one single property into lot of lots in co-ownership, not about adding a new property to some existing "copropriété".

the only part left is to translate this into appropriate legalese ... as short as possible, but without losing any meaning for the sake of "nice style" ...

19:32 Feb 20, 2018 

I wish all askers thought through their questions as intelligently as you have!

I think your "shenanigans" suggestion is correct, though obviously without using that word. It appears to mean the creator of the condominium, ie the party who turns a heap of bricks and mortar into a corporation. Any literal translation would sound very odd, and I think you'd be justified in saying "developer".

18:29 Feb 20, 2018 

"the party responsible for putting the whole shenanigans into a formal status of co-ownership"?

17:56 Feb 20, 2018 

OK, the title is "ÉTAT DESCRIPTIF DE DIVISION - RÈGLEMENT DE COPROPRIÉTÉ"... so yes, it's about the lots in the property - but it also describes how the builder-vendor will kind of "kick off" the hand-over to the temporary syndic, to be followed by the buyers of flats by choosing another syndic, if they want (as soon as at least 2 people have bought flats).

The requérante is the developer, who is currently about to sign this document with the notary. It's a very long document (27k words). The "Règlement" part goes into lots of detail about what owners are allowed to do (e.g. consolidating lots if they own adjacent ones). But also about not hanging linen on balconies, so it does really include the kind of things you find in RdCs...

"the basic idea of "L’auteur du placement dans le statut de la copropriété" is roughly clear" --- er, OK: care to say what you suggestion is? If you don't think "placement" means investment I'd be very interested to hear your suggestion.

17:09 Feb 20, 2018 

this instance of "placement" has nothing to do with any kind of investment

this instance of "statut" has nothing to do with any kind of act / document

but more context is needed, to better understand the whole document.

« la requérante » => who is asking what from whom?

Normally, "Le Règlement de Copropriété" is between existing co-owners, so what a party called "la requérante" is doing exactly in this story?

"les actes passés préalablement à la naissance de la copropriété" = is this the act creating "la Copropriété" or is a property being added to an already existing "Copropriété"?

the basic idea of "L’auteur du placement dans le statut de la copropriété" is roughly clear, but small details matter to get it right.

14:50 Feb 20, 2018 

I note that Bridge has this word as one poss. for "statut"... "investor in the constitution of the condominium"... ? But I'm highly doubtful because "constitution" in the sense given by Bridge means a document, rather than the action of creating something.