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Explanation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revers "A revers or rever is a garment or part of a garment that is reversed to display the lining or facing outside. The word is a corruption of reverse. This is most commonly the lapels or cuffs, and the term is mostly used when they are made in a contrasting material. The term became current in the late 1860s at the time when dress coats were no longer buttoned up but worn with the lapels opened up and turned back, thus the revers was one of the few opportunities for adornment on the otherwise plain black coat.
In the 1890s a small 'jaunty' jacket with each lapel turned fully back was termed a 'rever'."
Note that this is not a "fringe", which is something entirely different, but I think the Asker may have been confused about the meaning of "fringe" when applied to garments and really meant "edging".
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It could, of course, be a placket, as suggested by Charles, which is something rather different and is used more on shirts, dresses and light weight jackets. Unfortunately we don't have adequate information to know exactly what this is.
A revers or rever is a garment or part of a garment that is reversed to display the lining or facing outside. 4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer
and very interesting. I would have never figured out that it is a "revers" - I've never ever heard of that term. So the contribution of Proz Kudoz participants is great.
(as for the comment that "it is rather inconsiderate of Askers not to give full context" - I agree entirely, when that occurs. However in this case, I provided what information I had, and I couldn't really explain it well other than to indicate a picture.) Great that this was understood.
@ Charles D Thanks for apology. I really don't come onto Kudoz "gunning" for anybody as it's just not my style. But I do think it is rather inconsiderate of Askers not to give full context, especially when it's clear none of us have understood the question and when they are asked to do so, in this case by Robin and Kathryn). I switched off notifications for Kudoz and for the dozen Facebook groups I'm in as it was just too distracting. So, I sometimes return to questions much later, especially if I have not answered them myself. Hence my surprise at seeing no further context had been supplied by the Asker. I think we are all just wasting our time here at the moment...
I was annoyed because I thought you seemed to be gunning for me, but I think I got the wrong end of the stick, particularly since I clearly misinterpreted "surprised that clarification had not been given" as referring to me rather than to the asker. So I apologise and take it all back; there was no call for me to be so nasty. When I'm very tired (as I am at the moment) I can sometimes get a bit paranoid. Sorry!
On placket: I'm not fully confident of it because, like you, I'm still not sure exactly what Charlesp is asking about. I don't claim that all coats and jackets have plackets, just that some do. But whether a flap of inner lining projecting beyond the edge of the opening can be called a placket is a moot point. I certainly admit it's not what you usually understand by the term, and it's stretching a point to call it that. Insofar as it's an strip of fabric at the edge of the opening containing fastenings, then maybe, but actually it might be better to call them "flaps". I don't feel I can get any further with this on what we have.
@ Charles I don't know why you are so annoyed or are taking this tone? You obviously have a different understanding of "placket" than I do but I am confident in my own understanding of the term having made a lot of clothes in my younger days: a STRIP/PIECE OF CLOTH which is either topstitched or separately sewn in either on front opening or on sleeve cuffs/skirt waist band. Most SHIRTS have them on the front opening and cuffs http://www.thefreedictionary.com/placket
I showed one coat with a placket and one without so of course it was deliberately "selective"! None of your links prove your apparent contention that all coats and jackets have plackets. It may be that "placket" is indeed the term being sought by Asker but until he clarifies his question especially "exposed inner lining...MIGHT HAVE buttons" it is impossible to know.
Also, I mentioned Kathryn's request to ASKER, not to you, "I'm certain that if you can just provide a better picture, you'll have your answer in no time"
Somewhat selective searches there, which prove precisely nothing.
I'm not asking you to remove your agree. I don't really care what you agree or disagree with. I would just appreciate a bit of consistency and even-handedness.
As for Kathryn's request for a picture of what Charlesp is asking about, my answer seems to have escaped your notice, so let me repeat it. I haven't got a picture of such a garment because I have never seen anything like it. Why should I be required to provide one? What would it prove if I did? From the description in the question "placket" seems to me the most suitable term for a flap of fabric at the opening of a coat with buttons or buttonholes in it. It's the best I can think of. No credible alternative seems to have been proposed.
@ Charles, I agreed with "Lapel" because it at least shows the turned out inner fabric (though not lining) as from the beginning it was unclear what the question was asking exactly. And Kathryn asked for a picture quite some time ago now...quite surprised when I came back to check on this that clarification had not been given...So, I'm not removing the "agree" until it's clear what the question is.
Asker Could you rephrase your question and/or add a pic. Shirts have "plackets" as Charles has said...the strips of fabric (usually double layer of same fabric as rest of shirt) which is where the buttonholes are. However, coats and jackets do not usually have plackets other than some workwear or activewear as most others just turn the fabric in with interfacing to stiffen/strengthen it to hold the buttons and button holes. This turned-in fabric is also attached/sewn to the lining. But you will only see that (inner) lining (often polyester) if the coat blows open in a strong wind! Or someone is deliberately opening the coat/jacket too show the lining if it happens to be nice, or expensive designer-branded! In any case "fringe" is something else entirely as others have said.
A couple or three observations, if I might be so bold:
1 The item of apparel with an attractive – nay, alluring (errr… should that be “lurid”?) – yellow-on-blue/black polka dot design, looks to me like nothing other than a “shirt”.
2 The said item doesn’t appear to form part of the jacket/coat, hence it seems somewhat inappropriate as illustration of the concept for which you have come seeking a term.
3 Regardless of the above, what one might properly call a “fringe on the buttoning part of a coat” (specifically, one like “an exposed inner lining (might even have buttons and button-holes on it)”, would likely depend on the CONTEXT in which said term will be used.
Maybe the word “context” will help you in clarifying your purpose here.
Explanation: I think this is what you're referring to. The placket of a shirt or coat is the opening, the edge that contains the buttons or buttonholes, or a zip, for example.
"In modern usage, the term placket often refers to the double layers of fabric that hold the buttons and buttonholes in a shirt. [...] Modern plackets often contain fabric facings or attached bands to surround and reinforce fasteners such as buttons, snaps, or zippers" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placket
"Placket A strip of fabric running along a closure, used to provide support for fasteners such as buttons, snaps, or a zipper. Almost always used to facilitate putting on or taking off of a garment, but are sometimes used as a design element as well." http://www.paulfredrick.com/help/helpdetail.aspx?helpid=glos...
It's used for coats and jackets as well as shirts:
"The car coat is customarily made of heavy wool and features a flat front placket over its closure to shield from wind and rain" http://www.ties.com/blog/mens-coat-guide
By the way, I don't think the black and yellow polka-dot strips in your picture are the exposed lining of the dark blue garment; I think they're the edges of a black and yellow polka dot shirt he's wearing underneath, probably the same one he has on in the picture Kathryn has posted. He's wearing it open, over a yellow T-shirt, with a dark blue jacket on top. Though actually, according to Oxford, placket is derived from placard "in an obsolete sense ‘garment worn under an open coat or gown’", which is what I think is happening here.
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In the kind of garment you're suggesting, with the edges folded over at the opening to expose the lining fabric, the strips would be plackets.
Charles Davis Spain Local time: 06:28 Works in field Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 16
Notes to answerer
Asker: Excellent!
I wasn't heretofore familar with that term.
peer agreement (net): +1
