Tarta/Pastel (Difference)

English translation: Tarts/Cakes

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Spanish term or phrase:Tarta/Pastel (Difference)
English translation:Tarts/Cakes
Entered by: Eileen Brophy

09:14 Apr 25, 2017
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Marketing - Cooking / Culinary / Frozen cakes
Spanish term or phrase: Tarta/Pastel (Difference)
Could anyone tell me if there is a difference between a "tarta" and a "pastel" and what the differences are please, because they are both translated as "cake" in English dictionaries, this is the text :
El pequeño capricho del día.
Se relaciona con tartas (no pasteles), cupcakes, o porciones de pasteles individuales que venden en pastelerias
El pastel es el protagonista
Tienen relevancia elementos como el sabor, los ingredientes y la estética del pastel/tarta

Por que dice "Se relaciona con tartas (no pasteles) no entiendo la diferencia, si hay alguna.

Gracias por alguna ayuda.
Eileen Brophy
Spain
Local time: 01:39
Tarts/(sweet)Cakes and Pies
Explanation:
By reading several descriptions and looking at the pictures even those posted by colleagues it seems to me to be the difference in English between tarts (shallow and uncovered) and sweet pies
(which are deeper and can be uncovered like pumpkin pie or covered like apple pie) or cakes (also deep)
The Spanish pastel seems to encompass almost everything from cakes to pies to puddings but exclude tarts.

maybe you could get away with being very generic and say TARTS AND CAKES but to an English ear that would exclude pies.
I would say the depth of the dish is an important distinction


https://srecetas.es/articulos/pie-tarta-pastel-cual-es-la-di...

Pie, tarta, pastel; cuál es la diferencia entre ellos?

¿Alguna vez te preguntaste por qué se dice "pastel", "tarta" o "pie", si todas involucran masa, relleno y molde? Un pastel, como dice el diccionario, es una preparación hecha con una masa que envuelve un relleno, dulce o salado. En algunas provincias argentinas llaman pastel a las empanadas, y por eso se le dice "pastelito dulce" al que lleva dulces en su interior para distinguirlo de las empanadas. ¿Y entonces por qué al pastel de papa lo llamamos pastel, si no tiene masa? La receta original tiene puré de papa por arriba y por debajo, envolviendo el relleno, por eso se lo considera pastel.

La palabra "pie", según su definición en inglés, es "un tipo de comida hecha a base de carne, vegetales o fruta cubierto con masa y horneado". Son las típicas preparaciones que se hacen en cazuelas aptas para horno que tienen un relleno que se cubre por completo con una masa, que hay que romper con el tenedor para comerla, y por eso estas preparaciones nunca se cortan en porciones. ¿Y la tarta? ¿Acaso la tarta no tiene masa por arriba y por abajo? ¡Exacto! Por eso el diccionario la define como un "pastel grande" relleno con salado o dulce que, como va en molde para contener la preparación, puede quedar abierta o sin tapa de masa, tal cual la definición en inglés de la palabra "tart".

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Tart= a small or shallow OPEN pie with a fruit filling



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Note added at 1 hr (2017-04-25 10:18:59 GMT)
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Note that Pastel also translates turnovers as well as pies

http://www.spanishcentral.com/translate/pastel

2pastel masculine noun
English Translation of PASTEL
1
: cake
pastel de cumpleaños birthday cake
2
: pie, turnover


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http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&searc...

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You're welcome, an interesting kudoz!
By the way, the 'sweet' in my answer was meant to refer only to the pies not the cakes.
So tarts versus cakes (and sweet pies).
Glad your client clarified!
Selected response from:

Lisa Jane
Italy
Local time: 01:39
Grading comment
I have slightly edited the answer to fit with what my client says is correct for "tarta" and cakes are always sweet, I know none that are not. Thank you VERY VERY much for your help
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
3Tarts/(sweet)Cakes and Pies
Lisa Jane
Summary of reference entries provided
Possibly useful
Ana Vozone
Coca de pasa y nueces
neilmac

Discussion entries: 23





  

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Tarts/(sweet)Cakes and Pies


Explanation:
By reading several descriptions and looking at the pictures even those posted by colleagues it seems to me to be the difference in English between tarts (shallow and uncovered) and sweet pies
(which are deeper and can be uncovered like pumpkin pie or covered like apple pie) or cakes (also deep)
The Spanish pastel seems to encompass almost everything from cakes to pies to puddings but exclude tarts.

maybe you could get away with being very generic and say TARTS AND CAKES but to an English ear that would exclude pies.
I would say the depth of the dish is an important distinction


https://srecetas.es/articulos/pie-tarta-pastel-cual-es-la-di...

Pie, tarta, pastel; cuál es la diferencia entre ellos?

¿Alguna vez te preguntaste por qué se dice "pastel", "tarta" o "pie", si todas involucran masa, relleno y molde? Un pastel, como dice el diccionario, es una preparación hecha con una masa que envuelve un relleno, dulce o salado. En algunas provincias argentinas llaman pastel a las empanadas, y por eso se le dice "pastelito dulce" al que lleva dulces en su interior para distinguirlo de las empanadas. ¿Y entonces por qué al pastel de papa lo llamamos pastel, si no tiene masa? La receta original tiene puré de papa por arriba y por debajo, envolviendo el relleno, por eso se lo considera pastel.

La palabra "pie", según su definición en inglés, es "un tipo de comida hecha a base de carne, vegetales o fruta cubierto con masa y horneado". Son las típicas preparaciones que se hacen en cazuelas aptas para horno que tienen un relleno que se cubre por completo con una masa, que hay que romper con el tenedor para comerla, y por eso estas preparaciones nunca se cortan en porciones. ¿Y la tarta? ¿Acaso la tarta no tiene masa por arriba y por abajo? ¡Exacto! Por eso el diccionario la define como un "pastel grande" relleno con salado o dulce que, como va en molde para contener la preparación, puede quedar abierta o sin tapa de masa, tal cual la definición en inglés de la palabra "tart".

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Note added at 1 hr (2017-04-25 10:15:18 GMT)
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Tart= a small or shallow OPEN pie with a fruit filling



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Note added at 1 hr (2017-04-25 10:18:59 GMT)
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Note that Pastel also translates turnovers as well as pies

http://www.spanishcentral.com/translate/pastel

2pastel masculine noun
English Translation of PASTEL
1
: cake
pastel de cumpleaños birthday cake
2
: pie, turnover


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Note added at 4 hrs (2017-04-25 13:38:15 GMT)
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http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&searc...

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Note added at 1 day3 hrs (2017-04-26 12:41:55 GMT) Post-grading
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You're welcome, an interesting kudoz!
By the way, the 'sweet' in my answer was meant to refer only to the pies not the cakes.
So tarts versus cakes (and sweet pies).
Glad your client clarified!


    Reference: http://it.bab.la/dizionario/spagnolo-inglese/pastel
Lisa Jane
Italy
Local time: 01:39
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in ItalianItalian
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
I have slightly edited the answer to fit with what my client says is correct for "tarta" and cakes are always sweet, I know none that are not. Thank you VERY VERY much for your help
Notes to answerer
Asker: I think I will go back to the people who wrote the text and ask them to clarify what they consider to be the difference.

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Reference comments


13 mins peer agreement (net): +1
Reference: Possibly useful

Reference information:
https://dulceideabloguea.wordpress.com/2015/11/03/diferencia...

http://micocinayotrascosas.com/2015/10/diferencia-entre-tart...

http://www.ehowenespanol.com/diferencias-pasteles-tartas-inf...

Ana Vozone
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Native speaker of: Native in PortuguesePortuguese
PRO pts in category: 12
Note to reference poster
Asker: Thank you Ana, seeing the images did help a lot, so Lisa McCarthy is right, Tarts and cakes. <3

Asker: Thank you very much Ana, as I said above, the client has sent me a photo of an apple tart, so it is a tarts and cakes. Thank you very much for your help.


Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  neilmac: Yes, ask the client, because everyone has their own idea of what's what. Cf. arroz vs paella, tortilla vs omelette, etc.
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1 day 2 hrs
Reference: Coca de pasa y nueces

Reference information:
Having mentioned this in the discussion, I think it's only fair to post this link, which also includes a recipe in case anyone fancies making it.


    https://tartademanzanacasera.com/2016/03/25/coca-de-pasas-y-nueces-valenciana/
neilmac
Spain
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