il dépose l’armure qu’il a peut-être l'habitude de porter ailleurs

English translation: He removes /emerges from the tough outer shell he normally wears/hides behind elsewher

16:14 Apr 12, 2017
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French term or phrase: il dépose l’armure qu’il a peut-être l'habitude de porter ailleurs
Contexte:

5 - Transformer ses vulnérabilités en forces

Le mastermindien « idéal » :
Accepte sa vulnérabilité lorsqu’il est dans ce groupe Mastermind. Il dépose l’armure qu’il a peut-être l’habitude de porter ailleurs, dans des lieux de pouvoirs. Il sait qu’elle ne lui sert à rien avec ses pairs. Au contraire, elle le ralentit et l’empêche d’avancer. Il comprend qu’il peut apprendre à montrer sa vulnérabilité, qu’elle ne sera jamais utilisée contre lui.

I think it must have something to do with wearing a façade.

Merci,

Barbara
Barbara Cochran, MFA
United States
Local time: 06:33
English translation:He removes /emerges from the tough outer shell he normally wears/hides behind elsewher
Explanation:
Perhaps this fits in. Building a tough outer shell to hide you true emotions.

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23 Nov 2013 - I hide my feelings because I don't like looking weak. ... It usually is fear of being hurt, rather than neediness, that causes that tough outer shell.
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Tessa Dalley, ‎Gabrielle Rifkind, ‎Kim Terry - 2013 - ‎Medical
By looking in his immediate area of experience, he could begin to think about his ... he had built up his outer shell which formed the basis of his social interaction to the point where he could function only with this mask or false persona. ... less threatening means of communicating his feelings and difficulties and thereby ...
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bcsantos
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Summary of answers provided
4 +3He lays down the armour he is used to wearing elsewhere
Claire Elizondo
4 +1he lays down the arms is used to bearing elsewhere
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
4 +1he takes off the mask that he is probably used to wearing elsewhere
AllegroTrans
3 +1He removes /emerges from the tough outer shell he normally wears/hides behind elsewher
bcsantos
3 +1he sheds the shell that he might habitually wear elsewhere
B D Finch
4He sheds the protective shell that he might usually wear elsewhere
Margaret Field
3he sheds the skin that he probably normally dons elsewhere
Ana Vozone
Summary of reference entries provided
He gets free from the armor that perhaps he uses to wear elsewhere
José Patrício
Définition
mchd

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il dépose l’armure qu’il a peut-être l\\\'habitude de porter ailleurs
He lays down the armour he is used to wearing elsewhere


Explanation:
As it is not an existing expression in French and while it is symbolic, I think you should stick to the image, as the English reader will have to do as much thinking with "armour" as the French reader.

Claire Elizondo
Belgium
Local time: 12:33
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agree  Nikki Scott-Despaigne: For the reasons you describe, this may be a very good solution. Or even "casts aside", "sets aside".
7 mins

agree  Tony M: Yes, it is very common in this sort of field to talk about 'armour', I can't conceive how this could NOT be appropriate!! Possibly 'can set aside'...? We often use 'can' in EN where 'pouvoir' would not be used in FR, but it seems to fit here.
3 hrs

agree  Daryo
19 hrs
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12 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
il dépose l’armure qu’il a peut-être l\'habitude de porter ailleurs
he lays down the arms is used to bearing elsewhere


Explanation:
Armour is to protect, but is also symbolic of war. I'd go with something idiomatic, hence this suggestion, with arms rather than armour. The idea is that he does not need to be armed to the teeth; he needs to show that he is not waging war, but coming in peace.

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http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/lay down arms

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lay down arms
Also found in: Dictionary, Thesaurus, Medical, Legal, Financial, Encyclopedia.
lay down one's arms
Fig. to put one's gun, sword, club, etc., down; to stop fighting; to surrender. The prisoners were instructed to lay down their arms. The soldiers laid down their arms and surrendered.
See also: arm, down, lay
McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.

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"the arms he is used to..."


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If it is rather a matter of the protective feature, a defence, then this may not be the best solution.

Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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agree  Michele Fauble
29 mins

neutral  Tony M: But 'arms' suggests offensive, whereas 'armour' suggests defensive, protective — surely a vital difference in emphasis here?
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52 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
il dépose l’armure qu’il a peut-être l\'habitude de porter ailleurs
he takes off the mask that he is probably used to wearing elsewhere


Explanation:
I think "masks" describes best the facades that people wear (e.g. the toughie, the intellectual, the joker, the perfectionist, etc. etc. - there are 8 or 9 of these in most psychological models).

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13 Jul 2015 - But when you wear a mask you stand in resistance to your true life and end ... I'm amazed at how many people pretend to be strong even when ...
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/laugh-your-way-well.../...
20 Oct 2015 - Thousands of years later, people are still wearing masks. They hide behind anything from a false smile to Dr. Dre headphones to my personal ...

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The Masks We Wear - The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2016/04/the-masks-we-wear/...
5 Apr 2016 - We wear masks for many reasons: for fun, for protection, or to make a statement. In turbulent public settings, obscuring one's face can protect an ...

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The masks we wear--how we hide who we are. — Sarah K Peck
https://www.sarahkpeck.com/2013/11/the-masks-we-wear-to-hide...
We all wear masks from time to time: in our words, our habits, and our practices. We have an arsenal of crutches and shortcuts that slowly but surely hide who we ..

AllegroTrans
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agree  katsy: yes, masks...
1 hr
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neutral  Tony M: I think 'masks' is quite a different image: 'masks' are to hide something behind, whereas 'armour' is to protect oneself from external attack.
3 hrs
  -> People both hide behind and shield themselves with a mask (i.e. a particular personality pattern) to protect from external attack (defence mechanisms) as well as to try to win recognition
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
il dépose l’armure qu’il a peut-être l\'habitude de porter ailleurs
he sheds the skin that he probably normally dons elsewhere


Explanation:
A slightly different suggestion, bearing in mind what Barbara said in the discussion.

Example sentence(s):
  • As Minter enters his first season as the clear-cut starter in the middle of a loaded Tigers' defense, he's not about to shed the skin he's worn ever since he stepped on the football field. Just steady and ...
  • And that's exactly why he won't shed the skin he has now when he does return to action, according to cagesideseats.com.
Ana Vozone
Local time: 11:33
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Native speaker of: Native in PortuguesePortuguese
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neutral  Tony M: But 'shedding skin' suggests something different from 'déposer', more about transforming into something else (cf. chrysalis > butterfly) — this 'skin' is not something that you would be able to put back on again on a different occasion.
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
il dépose l’armure qu’il a peut-être l\'habitude de porter ailleurs
He removes /emerges from the tough outer shell he normally wears/hides behind elsewher


Explanation:
Perhaps this fits in. Building a tough outer shell to hide you true emotions.

Is It True That People Who Hide Their Feelings Usually Care The Most ...
www.experienceproject.com/question-answer/Is...Hide...Feeli...
23 Nov 2013 - I hide my feelings because I don't like looking weak. ... It usually is fear of being hurt, rather than neediness, that causes that tough outer shell.
Three Voices of Art Therapy (Psychology Revivals): Image, Client, ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=113503768X
Tessa Dalley, ‎Gabrielle Rifkind, ‎Kim Terry - 2013 - ‎Medical
By looking in his immediate area of experience, he could begin to think about his ... he had built up his outer shell which formed the basis of his social interaction to the point where he could function only with this mask or false persona. ... less threatening means of communicating his feelings and difficulties and thereby ...

bcsantos
Gibraltar
Local time: 12:33
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 12

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agree  Tony M: Yes, 'shell' is another term commonly used in this field.
25 mins
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
il dépose l’armure qu’il a peut-être l\'habitude de porter ailleurs
he sheds the shell that he might habitually wear elsewhere


Explanation:
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If they wait until he sheds his shell, he will be vulnerable, and the Eldest Magician can use magic to make him small again

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He might be shy and quiet most of the time, but give him some alcohol and he sheds his shell, and he goes around talkin' to everyone, ramblin' on and on about ...


B D Finch
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agree  José Patrício: Si l'on explicit la métaphore
11 hrs
  -> Thanks. I think the metaphor is sufficiently common not to require additional explanation.
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3 days 9 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
He sheds the protective shell that he might usually wear elsewhere


Explanation:
The issue seems to be "armure" - yes stronger than "protective shell" but I think that is what we would most commonly say in US (unless something period or more literary is called for)

Margaret Field
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Reference comments


19 mins
Reference: He gets free from the armor that perhaps he uses to wear elsewhere

Reference information:
f.ex.

José Patrício
Portugal
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Reference: Définition

Reference information:
armure = moyen de protection
http://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/armure/5308

Dans ce contexte, aussi synonyme de carapace
http://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/carapace/13096...

mchd
France
Native speaker of: French

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agree  writeaway
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agree  Tony M
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