greep

English translation: sampling increment

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Dutch term or phrase:greep
English translation:sampling increment
Entered by: jethro

10:06 Oct 21, 2016
Dutch to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Construction / Civil Engineering / Sampling and determination of metallic parts in incinerator bottom ash fractions
Dutch term or phrase: greep
In a text I am doing
They keep talking about "greep" (see below).
Can I translate this as "grab" or "random selection and any idea what they mean?


Greepgrootte en monstergrootte

Indien een monster (of greep) moet worden genomen van een (stilstaande) transportband dan moet de greep de gehele breedte van de band beslaan. Voor de minimale greepgrootte gebruik formule 1 c.q. tabel 1.



monster dat uit monstergrepen of een verzamelmonster wordt verkregen door een monsterdelingsprocedure
jethro
sampling increment
Explanation:
I don't agree with this translation, but it is useful, as it shows what the word means in Dutch:

"Grip (draft--NEN 5709)
The quantity of material that is removed from a batch in one go, but which is combined with other grips into a mixture sample for the purpose of analysis. "

(http://www.sikb.nl/doc/AP04/AP04-V_version_4_050303_English.... )

"Greep (naar NEN 7360)
De hoeveelheid materiaal die in één handeling uit een partij is genomen, maar voor analyse wordt samengevoegd met andere grepen tot een mengmonster."

(http://www.aquaminerals.com/en/images/Protocol_monsterneming... )
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However, the following ref seems to be better English:

"3.10
sampling increment
quantity of material taken from a batch by one operation of the sampling apparatus "

("norm NEN-EN 13383-2 Waterbouwsteen - Deel 2: Beproevingsmethoden Publicatie uitsluitend voor commentaar" @ https://www.nen.nl/pdfpreview/preview_132338.pdf )

And what looks like the Dutch original of the above:

"A.2.27
Greep
Een hoeveeheid material die in één handeling uit een partij is genomen.
"

If you have money to waste, I bet nen.nl sells a decent translation of the "grip" text above.
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re "sampling increment", see e.g.:

"3 Definitions
3.4 representative sample

A bulk sample created by taking sampling increments according to a sampling plan, which makes it likely that the quality of this sample corresponds to that of the batch.”

4 Principles of sampling
----------Sampling variation caused by the heterogenity of the batch is reduced to an acceptable level by taking an adequate number of sampling increments.
-----------
Sampling increments are selected at random from all parts of the batch that the bulk sample is to represent."

(https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web... )

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"Where practical the homogenisation of the whole material is the preferred
sampling process. However, where either the total amount of the seized
material or the number of multiple packages involved excludes this preferred
option, then an incremental sampling process (taking random increments
from the whole seizure and combining them to produce a primary sample(s))
should be applied.

Assuming a laboratory wishes to quantitatively analyse a seizure of one of the
named powdered drugs or cannabis resin with a ‘typical’ heterogeneity, a
primary sample of 15 × 1 g increments is generally appropriate.

The probability of obtaining a single portion from the bulk material that
perfectly represents the concentration of the parent material is extremely
unlikely. If several portions (increments) are taken, their characteristics will
vary due to the heterogeneity of real materials, but the average of the
concentrations of individual portions will provide a better estimate of the
concentration of the whole material.
Guidelines on Sampling of Illicit Drugs for Quantitative Analysis

It was found that the sampling problems caused by heterogeneity can be
solved by using an incremental sampling protocol."

(http://www.enfsi.eu/sites/default/files/documents/external_p... )

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IATE:

Domain: Statistics, Technology and technical regulations

EN: increment [Reliability: 3 (Reliable)]
Definition: a quantity of material taken at one time from a larger body of material
Definition Ref.: EOQC

NL: greep [Reliability: 3 (Reliable)]
Term Ref.: EOQC

DE: Elementarprobe
DE: Einzelprobe

(http://iate.europa.eu/SearchByQuery.do?method=searchDetail&l... )
Selected response from:

Michael Beijer
United Kingdom
Local time: 01:19
Grading comment
Thanks very much indeed. Funny, I looked all over the NEN and I could not find any mention of the word although I did find some other useful terms.
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Summary of answers provided
4test portion
Richard Sanders
3haul or catch?
Toon Theuwis (X)
3 -1sampling increment
Michael Beijer


  

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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
test portion


Explanation:
Analytical chemistry.
Confine the use of the term SAMPLE to its statistical concept: If a
potential exists for a sampling error due to the heterogeneity of a
population, the term SAMPLE with an appropriate modifier to indicate its
position in the sampling scheme should be used (i.e., increment,
primary sample, secondary sample, etc., laboratory sample, test
sample, test portion).

test portion
Synonym: analytical portion
The amount or volume of the test sample taken for analysis, usually of known weight or volume.




    https://www.iupac.org/publications/pac/1990/pdf/6206x1193.pdf
    Reference: http://goldbook.iupac.org/T06284.html
Richard Sanders
United States
Local time: 20:19
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 8
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11 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
haul or catch?


Explanation:
Found this in the dictionary in the link below.

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Note added at 11 hrs (2016-10-21 22:02:33 GMT)
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I think of "greep" as something you can do with your hands.


    Reference: http://beijer.uk/content/DUTCH-ENGLISH-DICTIONARY-(by-Jerzy-...
Toon Theuwis (X)
Belgium
Local time: 02:19
Native speaker of: Dutch

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Michael Beijer: don't think it's correct here, but nice that you found my copy of that glossary (the original if now offline, so good we still have access to it)
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1 day 11 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
sampling increment


Explanation:
I don't agree with this translation, but it is useful, as it shows what the word means in Dutch:

"Grip (draft--NEN 5709)
The quantity of material that is removed from a batch in one go, but which is combined with other grips into a mixture sample for the purpose of analysis. "

(http://www.sikb.nl/doc/AP04/AP04-V_version_4_050303_English.... )

"Greep (naar NEN 7360)
De hoeveelheid materiaal die in één handeling uit een partij is genomen, maar voor analyse wordt samengevoegd met andere grepen tot een mengmonster."

(http://www.aquaminerals.com/en/images/Protocol_monsterneming... )
*****************************

However, the following ref seems to be better English:

"3.10
sampling increment
quantity of material taken from a batch by one operation of the sampling apparatus "

("norm NEN-EN 13383-2 Waterbouwsteen - Deel 2: Beproevingsmethoden Publicatie uitsluitend voor commentaar" @ https://www.nen.nl/pdfpreview/preview_132338.pdf )

And what looks like the Dutch original of the above:

"A.2.27
Greep
Een hoeveeheid material die in één handeling uit een partij is genomen.
"

If you have money to waste, I bet nen.nl sells a decent translation of the "grip" text above.
*****************************

re "sampling increment", see e.g.:

"3 Definitions
3.4 representative sample

A bulk sample created by taking sampling increments according to a sampling plan, which makes it likely that the quality of this sample corresponds to that of the batch.”

4 Principles of sampling
----------Sampling variation caused by the heterogenity of the batch is reduced to an acceptable level by taking an adequate number of sampling increments.
-----------
Sampling increments are selected at random from all parts of the batch that the bulk sample is to represent."

(https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web... )

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 day11 hrs (2016-10-22 21:25:19 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

"Where practical the homogenisation of the whole material is the preferred
sampling process. However, where either the total amount of the seized
material or the number of multiple packages involved excludes this preferred
option, then an incremental sampling process (taking random increments
from the whole seizure and combining them to produce a primary sample(s))
should be applied.

Assuming a laboratory wishes to quantitatively analyse a seizure of one of the
named powdered drugs or cannabis resin with a ‘typical’ heterogeneity, a
primary sample of 15 × 1 g increments is generally appropriate.

The probability of obtaining a single portion from the bulk material that
perfectly represents the concentration of the parent material is extremely
unlikely. If several portions (increments) are taken, their characteristics will
vary due to the heterogeneity of real materials, but the average of the
concentrations of individual portions will provide a better estimate of the
concentration of the whole material.
Guidelines on Sampling of Illicit Drugs for Quantitative Analysis

It was found that the sampling problems caused by heterogeneity can be
solved by using an incremental sampling protocol."

(http://www.enfsi.eu/sites/default/files/documents/external_p... )

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Note added at 1 day11 hrs (2016-10-22 21:33:05 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

IATE:

Domain: Statistics, Technology and technical regulations

EN: increment [Reliability: 3 (Reliable)]
Definition: a quantity of material taken at one time from a larger body of material
Definition Ref.: EOQC

NL: greep [Reliability: 3 (Reliable)]
Term Ref.: EOQC

DE: Elementarprobe
DE: Einzelprobe

(http://iate.europa.eu/SearchByQuery.do?method=searchDetail&l... )

Michael Beijer
United Kingdom
Local time: 01:19
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 187
Grading comment
Thanks very much indeed. Funny, I looked all over the NEN and I could not find any mention of the word although I did find some other useful terms.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  freekfluweel: Elementarprobe / Einzelprobe = greep... You've gotta kidding me!!!
9 days
  -> note to future readers: pls ignore freek's incoherent shouting. he's on some kind of personal vendetta against me (for god only knows what reason), and has a hard time focusing on the facts. the DE is irrelevant here. just added it in case useful
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