Comapare to

English translation: to

06:03 Oct 12, 2016
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English term or phrase: Comapare to
compare to or compare with? Which is better in the following?

High magnetic permeability materials (S15H) are used to significantly reinforce the noise suppression effects in the low frequency band when compared to those of conventional products. (Ratio when compared to those of conventional materials: |Z| value is improved approx. 40% .)

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Mitsuko Yoshida
Local time: 12:51
Selected answer:to
Explanation:
Where a direct contrast is being emphasized, as here, 'compared to' may be considered acceptable.

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Note added at 3 heures (2016-10-12 09:39:43 GMT)
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I was always taught, traditionally, that it should be 'compared with', and I would certainly never suggest that could be 'wrong' — however, I have observed a tendency in vurrent usage for 'to' to be used more frequently than it once owuld have been... which is exactly why I worded my answer specifically that ".. 'compared to' may be considered acceptable." — I was assuming Asker was asking if it was alright to use 'to' instead of with?
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Tony M
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Thank you!!
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SUMMARY OF ALL EXPLANATIONS PROVIDED
4 +6to
Tony M
4 +3compare with
Rachel Fell
4 +2either
airmailrpl
4by comparison with / as compared with
B D Finch
Summary of reference entries provided
to v. with
Peter Simon

Discussion entries: 5





  

Answers


2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
compare to
either


Explanation:
when compared to => when compared with

You should correct the glossary entry for the query term = Comapare => Compare

airmailrpl
Brazil
Local time: 00:51
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in PortuguesePortuguese
PRO pts in category: 88

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agree  Charles Davis: Yes, either, depending partly on whether you interpret "compare" as "liken" (usually "to") or as "examine to determine degree of similarity/difference" (usually with), but also region (relative pref. for to in US Eng) and personal habit.
58 mins
  -> thank you

disagree  Peter Simon: There is a dissimilarity as to when with and to is used, but either is rather hazy, means it doesn't matter. And that's not the case. Only if the meaning of the answer is 'either this or that, depending'
2 hrs
  -> apparently quite a few others do not agree with you

agree  writeaway: yes, either.
2 hrs
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agree  Yasutomo Kanazawa
2 hrs
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13 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +6
compared to
to


Explanation:
Where a direct contrast is being emphasized, as here, 'compared to' may be considered acceptable.

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Note added at 3 heures (2016-10-12 09:39:43 GMT)
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I was always taught, traditionally, that it should be 'compared with', and I would certainly never suggest that could be 'wrong' — however, I have observed a tendency in vurrent usage for 'to' to be used more frequently than it once owuld have been... which is exactly why I worded my answer specifically that ".. 'compared to' may be considered acceptable." — I was assuming Asker was asking if it was alright to use 'to' instead of with?


Tony M
France
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PRO pts in category: 309
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Thank you!!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Edith Kelly: agree, compare with is at least not good BE
3 mins
  -> Thanks, Edith! Though 'compare with' is indeed fien, even for BE; I just don't think it flows quite as well here, though as all the gramarians have pointed out, it is at least pedantically more correct.

agree  Peter Simon
18 mins
  -> Thanks, Peter!

agree  Margarida Martins Costelha
1 hr
  -> Thanks, Margarida!

agree  Jack Doughty: I don't think "compare with" is wrong but I prefer "compare to".
1 hr
  -> Thanks, Jack!

neutral  Charles Davis: "Compare with" is perfectly good BE (and non-BE), and is preferable when compare means "examine to determine degree of similarity/difference". "To" is definitely preferred when "compare" means "liken". IMO "to" is certainly not preferable here.
3 hrs
  -> Thanks, Charles! I think what you say is formally perfectly true, but I still feel 'to' actually sounds better in this particular instance.

agree  Cilian O'Tuama: IMO 'to' is better in this case, but 'with' can be more appropriate in others.
16 hrs
  -> Thanks, Cilian! Yes, couldn't agree more.

agree  Yvonne Gallagher: and with Jack
16 hrs
  -> Thanks, G!
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
compare to
compare with


Explanation:
This is the definition in my 2011 UK dictionary:

compare

compare to put (as if) side by side so as to ascertain how far things agree or disagree (often with with); to liken or represent as similar (with to)

Rachel Fell
United Kingdom
Local time: 04:51
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  writeaway: Don't understand the disagree but maybe it's different in Hungarian?
3 mins
  -> Thank you writeaway :-)

agree  Charles Davis: I should probably have posted this myself; it's what I think.
31 mins
  -> Thank you Charles - yes, I saw your dictionary quote above just after I posted this.

agree  acetran
4 hrs
  -> Thank you acetran :-)
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
comapare to
by comparison with / as compared with


Explanation:
Because "the noise suppression effects in the low frequency band" would not only be "significantly reinforced" when compared to those of conventional products, but even if and at times that one didn't bother comparing them.

B D Finch
France
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Reference comments


4 hrs peer agreement (net): +1
Reference: to v. with

Reference information:
Let me add what the Oxf. Collocation Dict. says about this. "WITH Few things compare with (=are as good as) the joy of cycling ...", otherwise, TO "I've had some difficulties but they were nothing compared to yours (=they were not nearly as bad as yours)" (OUP, 2001).
The earlier (1967) Macmillan "English Prepositional Idioms" (F.T.Wood) states, "We compare one thing TO another when we state a resemblance between them ... Compare WITH means 'place side by side, noting the resemblances and differences', usually with the stress on the differences. WITH is also the preposition used when 'compare' is used intransitively. ... BETWEEN may also be used when 'comparison' corresponds in meaning to 'compare with'. (As far as quality is concerned, this cannot be compared with the other; there is no comparison between them)"
A bit further back, the Longman 'Prepositions and Adverbial Particles' (by J.b. Heaton) says 'compare to' when sg is "likened to" the other, but 'with' when we note "the similarities between" them. I know these are old references but these are things the older generations of professionals the world over relied on and are consistent with the rather new Oxford evidence. I wouldn't like to seem prescriptive, only to show various additional sources (not really in vogue in the age of the internet but more reliable I suppose) and to prove that 'either' is a misconjecture.

Peter Simon
Netherlands
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Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Tony M: This is pretty much as I learnt at school 40+ years ago; I got the impression I was a dinosaur, and modern usage has moved on ;-)
26 mins
  -> Thanks, Tony. Perhaps it has, part of the reason why I put this up, to see what others think of the changes.
disagree  Charles Davis: To clarify: Oxf irrelevant because the bit you cite refers to collocation in specific contexts quite different from this. What Wood and Heaton say is clear and sound; the muddle is how you are applying it to this case, as shown here and in your comments.
1 hr
  -> Thank, Charles, for your sweeping comment. For me, it seems quite muddled why you call the Oxford reference 'irrelevant', and why the other examples are muddled, but that's what your opinion is. Accepted.
agree  Yvonne Gallagher
12 hrs
  -> Thank you, Gallagy!
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