Gyermekvédelmi gyám

English translation: Child protection guardian

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Hungarian term or phrase:Gyermekvédelmi gyám
English translation:Child protection guardian
Entered by: Ildiko Santana

07:29 Aug 22, 2016
Hungarian to English translations [PRO]
Law (general) / Adoption
Hungarian term or phrase: Gyermekvédelmi gyám
Dear forum,

I suppose this is a person, a 'guardian', or something, but how to interpret 'gyerekvedelmi' here?

Context (Hatarozat):
A gyamhivatal [NEV] orokbefogadni szandekozo es a [MEGYE] megyei Teruleti Gyermekvedelmi Szakszolgalat alkalmazasaban allo [NEV] [CIM] alatti szekhelyu gyermekvedelmi gyam egyezo kerelmenek helyt ad [..]

Jilt
Jilt
Netherlands
Local time: 19:34
child protection guardian (employed by the Department of Child Protection Services)
Explanation:
Age assessment and legal representation of unaccompanied children ...
www.asylumineurope.org/reports/.../hungary/.../age-assessme...
Hungarian Helsinki Committee ... by the competent Guardianship Authority to unaccompanied children,7 who was not only responsible for their legal ... The child protection guardian is employed by the Department of Child Protection Services ...

In a ‘traditional guardianship,’ the child’s guardian is a close relative of the child.
The parental responsibilities exercised by this guardian are very close to the
parental responsibilities of the child’s parents. This guarantees that the child’s
familial identity and relationships can be maintained.
The ‘Child Welfare Guardianship’ differs from the traditional guardianship. The
state takes the child into a child welfare guardianship if living with the parents
puts the child is in danger. The child taken into state care is not under the
guardianship of the authorities. If the child lives with foster parents, the exercise of
the parental responsibilities belongs to the foster parent. If the child lives in a
children’s home, the exercise of the parental responsibilities belongs to the
supervisor of the children’s home.
http://ceflonline.net/wp-content/uploads/Hungary-Parental-Re...

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I think you need also this:

The current sources of law for parental responsibilities are the following:

ƒ The Hungarian Family Act, the Act No. IV. 1952. on marriage, family and guardianship, as amended. It was last amended through the Act No. IX. 2002. and Act No. IV. 2003. concerning the issues of parental responsibilities.
ƒ
The Hungarian Child Welfare Act, the Act No. XXXI. 1997. on the Child Welfare and guardianship administration, as amended by Act No. IX. 2002. and Act No. IV. 2003.
ƒ
The Hungarian Order of Guardianship, the Order of Government No. 149/1997. on public guardianship authority and proceeding in Child Welfare and guardianship cases, as amended by the Order of Government No. 262/2001., No. 14/2003. and No. 203/2003.
ƒ
The Hungarian Act No. XV. 2001. on amending several Acts in connection with legal capacity and curatorship. This Act concerns the legal representation and administration of property.

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Family law rules state that a child older than 12 is capable of forming his or her views if there is conflict between the child and the parents regarding the child’s schooling, education or the determination of the child’s career. In this situation, the public guardianship authority will rule on the controversy.
Moreover, the child over 12 has the right to directly ask the public guardianship authority to rule on this. Similarly, if the child is over 12, she or he is to be heard in the Child Welfare mediation proceeding aimed at determining the arrangement of the contact. The public guardianship authority has the duty to hear any child under guardianship in important matters concerning the child if the child is over 12. If the proceeding is about the placement of the child, the child is to be heard and due weight should be Parental Responsibilities
given to his or her views if the child is over 14. According to the Family Act the child is to be heard even if the child is younger than 14 if it is motivated; if the child demands it himself or herself, it is always motivated.

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Note added at 1 hr (2016-08-22 08:44:29 GMT)
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International Social Work Practice: Case Studies from a Global Context
https://books.google.hu/books?isbn=0415783658 -
Joanna Bettmann, ‎Joanna E. Bettmann, ‎Caren J. Frost - 2013 - ‎Social Science
Therefore, it is probable that a guardian would be appointed from among ... In Hungary, Sarah and her uncle would ask for help at the local Child Welfare Service ... Also, a guardian would have been appointed immediately by the Guardian Authority. ... that she used the orphans' property to serve the children's best interests.

International Social Work Practice: Case Studies from a Global Context
https://books.google.hu/books?isbn=1135125961 -
Joanna E. Bettmann, ‎Gloria Jacques, ‎Caren J. Frost - 2012 - ‎Social Science
Therefore, it is probable that a guardian would be appointed from among ... In Hungary, Sarah and her uncle would ask for help at the local Child Welfare Service ... Also, a guardian would have been appointed immediately by the Guardian Authority. ... that she used the orphans' property to serve the children's best interests.

Romani Children in the Hungarian Child Protection System
www.errc.org/cms/upload/media/02/8F/m0000028F.pdf
professionals from regional child protection services, guardianship agencies, child ... in the field that deficiencies in the Hungarian child protection legal system ... experts in question as well as regional variations and levels of employment.

Life Sentence: Romani Children in State Care in Hungary - ERRC
www.errc.org/.../life-sentence-romani-children-in-state-car...
about the situation of Romani children in the Hungarian child protection system. .... respondents working in the field, including employees of State agencies and ..... decision and a legal guardian is appointed by the guardianship office.

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Ha választ adtam, nem engedi referenciának feltenni:

A gyermekvédelmi törvény határozottan elkülöníti egymástól a hatósági munkát és a szolgáltatásokat. Előbbi a gyermek és a család sorsát érintő hatósági döntéseket – pl. családból való kiemelés és visszahelyezés; gyám kijelölése, döntés az örökbefogadásról - jelenti, amit a gyámhatóság (jegyző, gyámhivatal) végez; utóbbi pedig azokat a különböző típusú szolgáltatásokat, amelyeket a rászoruló családok, gyerekek igénybe vehetnek.
Ugyancsak elválasztja egymástól a gyermekvédelmi törvény a szolgáltatások két körét: a minden család számára rendelkezésre álló gyermekjóléti alapellátásokat, és a családból kiemelt gyermekek gondozást biztosító gyermekvédelmi szakellátásokat.
A gyermekvédelmi rendszer működtetése állami és önkormányzati feladat,
melyben részt vesznek civil szervezetek, egyházi szervezetek, egyéni vállalkozók is.

A fenti szervezeteken túlmenően számos más szervezetnek is feladata a gyermekek védelme, melyek veszélyeztetettség észlelése esetén kötelesek jelezni ezt a kerületi gyermekjóléti szolgálatnak. E szervek közé tartozik többek között a gyermekegészségügyi szolgálat; a különböző közoktatási intézmények; a családsegítő szolgálatok; a rendőrség; az ügyészség; az áldozatsegítő szolgálat; a gyerekekkel kapcsolatba kerülő civil szervezetek; de bármely állampolgár is tehet, sőt köteles is bejelentést tenni, ha gyerekbántalmazást vagy más módon történő veszélyeztetést tapasztal.


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a hivatásos nevelőszülő a professional guardian az EU szerint

Hungary - Commission on European Family Law
ceflonline.net/wp-content/.../Hungary-Parental-Responsibilities.pdf
parental responsibilities were based on: the Hungarian Guardianship Act, namely ..... Generally, the professional guardian does not take care of the child ...
European Family Law in Action - 449. oldal -
https://books.google.hu/books?isbn=905095443X -
2005 - ‎Divorce - Droit - Europe
1 German CC, the youth welfare office becomes guardian at the birth of a child ... Hungarian law recognises the 'professional guardian', which is not seen as ...
Divide, Provide, and Rule: An Integrative History of Poverty Policy, ...
https://books.google.hu/books?isbn=6155053197 -
Susan Zimmermann - 2011 - ‎History
For mothers who were not of full age—in Hungary 24 years—a professional guardian was appointed for the child automatically, while for mothers from the age of ...

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Note added at 1 day8 hrs (2016-08-23 15:41:07 GMT)
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(professional guardian -1580, institutional guardian - 624 találat, idézőjelben keresve)

Pukkadjon meg a TEGYESZ, minden normális hivatal alapító okiratában benne van a neve angolul, németül meg franciául, de ebben persze dafke nincsen benne:
http://www.tegyesz.hu/file/AO_2015.pdf

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Fővárosi Gyermekvédelmi Központ és Területi Gyermekvédelmi Szakszolgálat
Metropolitan Centre for Child Protection and Regional Child Protection Service
(Center, ha USA-angol)


http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/networks/eur...
Policies on reception, return and integration arrangements for, and numbers of, unaccompanied minors in Hungary

In completing the study officials involved in procedures and care related to unaccompanied minors (representing both governmental and nongovernmental organisations) were consulted: e.g. Office of Immigration and Nationality (Bevándorlási és Állampolgársági Hivatal), National Police Headquarters (Országos Rendőr-Főkapitányság), Metropolitan Child Protection Service (Fővárosi Területi Gyermekvédelmi Szakszolgálat), Guardianship Office of the 5th District in Budapest (Budapest V. Kerületi Gyámhivatal), Hungarian Interchurch Aid (Magyar Ökumenikus Segélyszervezet), Hungarian Helsinki Committee (Magyar Helsinki Bizottság), etc.

Regional Child Protection Service | Facebook
https://hu-hu.facebook.com/.../Regional-Child-Protection-Ser...
Regional Child Protection Service, Ózd.

European Protection Systems in the areas of childcare and long ...
www.euro.centre.org/data/1449059839_59841.pdf

Regional Child Protection Center - UnityPoint Health
https://www.unitypoint.org/blankchildrens/services-child-pro...
Our team at the Regional Child Protection Center (RCPC) gives children who ... these services are all offered in an easy to access, child-friendly environment ...

Child Protection Service - Better Health Channel
https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/.../child-protect...
Child Protection provides child-centred, family-focused services to protect ... To make a report of child abuse, contact your regional Child Protection office as ...

akkor legyen már valami kerek válasz:
(Decree):
The Guardianship Office of the [...st/rd/th District in Budapest vagy csak a város neve], approves the guardianship petition of the (***orokbefogadni szandekozo, na ezt nem tudom, mondjuk valami petitioner, ha tippelhetek***) and the professional guardian [name: NEV] [resident of: CIM] employed by [megye neve] County Child Protection Service



és tényleg petition, miamanó:
Guardianship Forms - King County
www.kingcounty.gov/courts/scforms/guardianship.aspx
- Below you will find a list of commonly used guardianship forms. ... these forms, please contact the Family Law Facilitators Office at 206-296-9297. ... G-9, Petition for Order Approving Guardian's Activities and Final Report, N/A.
Kings County Supreme - Civil Term, 2nd JD - Elder Law-Guardianship
https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/2jd/kings/civil/guardianship...
- A guardianship petition under Article 81 of the Mental Hygiene Law is ... It is approved in the Guardianship Office (Room 285) and then filed ...


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(Hát nem irigyellek... jó munkát)

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Hartelijk bedankt!
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Erzsébet Czopyk
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4 +3child protection guardian (employed by the Department of Child Protection Services)
Erzsébet Czopyk
5institutional guardian appointed by the Child Protective Service
JANOS SAMU


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institutional guardian appointed by the Child Protective Service


Explanation:
A gyámhatóság határozatával lehet a gyereket a Területi Gyermekvédelmi Szakszolgálat gondnoksága alá helyezni, amelynek vezetője a gyermek jogi gyámja (legal guardian). A gyermekvédelmi gyámot ez a szakszolgálat nevezheti ki, aki ha a szakszolgálat alkalmazottja, akkor hivatásos nevelőszülő, viszont alkalmazotti viszonya miatt nem lehet jogi gyám is. Ezért használhatjuk az institutional guardian elnevezést.

JANOS SAMU
United States
Local time: 11:34
Specializes in field
PRO pts in category: 187
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
child protection guardian (employed by the Department of Child Protection Services)


Explanation:
Age assessment and legal representation of unaccompanied children ...
www.asylumineurope.org/reports/.../hungary/.../age-assessme...
Hungarian Helsinki Committee ... by the competent Guardianship Authority to unaccompanied children,7 who was not only responsible for their legal ... The child protection guardian is employed by the Department of Child Protection Services ...

In a ‘traditional guardianship,’ the child’s guardian is a close relative of the child.
The parental responsibilities exercised by this guardian are very close to the
parental responsibilities of the child’s parents. This guarantees that the child’s
familial identity and relationships can be maintained.
The ‘Child Welfare Guardianship’ differs from the traditional guardianship. The
state takes the child into a child welfare guardianship if living with the parents
puts the child is in danger. The child taken into state care is not under the
guardianship of the authorities. If the child lives with foster parents, the exercise of
the parental responsibilities belongs to the foster parent. If the child lives in a
children’s home, the exercise of the parental responsibilities belongs to the
supervisor of the children’s home.
http://ceflonline.net/wp-content/uploads/Hungary-Parental-Re...

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Note added at 1 hr (2016-08-22 08:38:34 GMT)
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I think you need also this:

The current sources of law for parental responsibilities are the following:

ƒ The Hungarian Family Act, the Act No. IV. 1952. on marriage, family and guardianship, as amended. It was last amended through the Act No. IX. 2002. and Act No. IV. 2003. concerning the issues of parental responsibilities.
ƒ
The Hungarian Child Welfare Act, the Act No. XXXI. 1997. on the Child Welfare and guardianship administration, as amended by Act No. IX. 2002. and Act No. IV. 2003.
ƒ
The Hungarian Order of Guardianship, the Order of Government No. 149/1997. on public guardianship authority and proceeding in Child Welfare and guardianship cases, as amended by the Order of Government No. 262/2001., No. 14/2003. and No. 203/2003.
ƒ
The Hungarian Act No. XV. 2001. on amending several Acts in connection with legal capacity and curatorship. This Act concerns the legal representation and administration of property.

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Note added at 1 hr (2016-08-22 08:41:39 GMT)
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Family law rules state that a child older than 12 is capable of forming his or her views if there is conflict between the child and the parents regarding the child’s schooling, education or the determination of the child’s career. In this situation, the public guardianship authority will rule on the controversy.
Moreover, the child over 12 has the right to directly ask the public guardianship authority to rule on this. Similarly, if the child is over 12, she or he is to be heard in the Child Welfare mediation proceeding aimed at determining the arrangement of the contact. The public guardianship authority has the duty to hear any child under guardianship in important matters concerning the child if the child is over 12. If the proceeding is about the placement of the child, the child is to be heard and due weight should be Parental Responsibilities
given to his or her views if the child is over 14. According to the Family Act the child is to be heard even if the child is younger than 14 if it is motivated; if the child demands it himself or herself, it is always motivated.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 hr (2016-08-22 08:44:29 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

International Social Work Practice: Case Studies from a Global Context
https://books.google.hu/books?isbn=0415783658 -
Joanna Bettmann, ‎Joanna E. Bettmann, ‎Caren J. Frost - 2013 - ‎Social Science
Therefore, it is probable that a guardian would be appointed from among ... In Hungary, Sarah and her uncle would ask for help at the local Child Welfare Service ... Also, a guardian would have been appointed immediately by the Guardian Authority. ... that she used the orphans' property to serve the children's best interests.

International Social Work Practice: Case Studies from a Global Context
https://books.google.hu/books?isbn=1135125961 -
Joanna E. Bettmann, ‎Gloria Jacques, ‎Caren J. Frost - 2012 - ‎Social Science
Therefore, it is probable that a guardian would be appointed from among ... In Hungary, Sarah and her uncle would ask for help at the local Child Welfare Service ... Also, a guardian would have been appointed immediately by the Guardian Authority. ... that she used the orphans' property to serve the children's best interests.

Romani Children in the Hungarian Child Protection System
www.errc.org/cms/upload/media/02/8F/m0000028F.pdf
professionals from regional child protection services, guardianship agencies, child ... in the field that deficiencies in the Hungarian child protection legal system ... experts in question as well as regional variations and levels of employment.

Life Sentence: Romani Children in State Care in Hungary - ERRC
www.errc.org/.../life-sentence-romani-children-in-state-car...
about the situation of Romani children in the Hungarian child protection system. .... respondents working in the field, including employees of State agencies and ..... decision and a legal guardian is appointed by the guardianship office.

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Note added at 1 day2 hrs (2016-08-23 10:27:33 GMT)
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Ha választ adtam, nem engedi referenciának feltenni:

A gyermekvédelmi törvény határozottan elkülöníti egymástól a hatósági munkát és a szolgáltatásokat. Előbbi a gyermek és a család sorsát érintő hatósági döntéseket – pl. családból való kiemelés és visszahelyezés; gyám kijelölése, döntés az örökbefogadásról - jelenti, amit a gyámhatóság (jegyző, gyámhivatal) végez; utóbbi pedig azokat a különböző típusú szolgáltatásokat, amelyeket a rászoruló családok, gyerekek igénybe vehetnek.
Ugyancsak elválasztja egymástól a gyermekvédelmi törvény a szolgáltatások két körét: a minden család számára rendelkezésre álló gyermekjóléti alapellátásokat, és a családból kiemelt gyermekek gondozást biztosító gyermekvédelmi szakellátásokat.
A gyermekvédelmi rendszer működtetése állami és önkormányzati feladat,
melyben részt vesznek civil szervezetek, egyházi szervezetek, egyéni vállalkozók is.

A fenti szervezeteken túlmenően számos más szervezetnek is feladata a gyermekek védelme, melyek veszélyeztetettség észlelése esetén kötelesek jelezni ezt a kerületi gyermekjóléti szolgálatnak. E szervek közé tartozik többek között a gyermekegészségügyi szolgálat; a különböző közoktatási intézmények; a családsegítő szolgálatok; a rendőrség; az ügyészség; az áldozatsegítő szolgálat; a gyerekekkel kapcsolatba kerülő civil szervezetek; de bármely állampolgár is tehet, sőt köteles is bejelentést tenni, ha gyerekbántalmazást vagy más módon történő veszélyeztetést tapasztal.


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Note added at 1 day8 hrs (2016-08-23 15:36:39 GMT)
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a hivatásos nevelőszülő a professional guardian az EU szerint

Hungary - Commission on European Family Law
ceflonline.net/wp-content/.../Hungary-Parental-Responsibilities.pdf
parental responsibilities were based on: the Hungarian Guardianship Act, namely ..... Generally, the professional guardian does not take care of the child ...
European Family Law in Action - 449. oldal -
https://books.google.hu/books?isbn=905095443X -
2005 - ‎Divorce - Droit - Europe
1 German CC, the youth welfare office becomes guardian at the birth of a child ... Hungarian law recognises the 'professional guardian', which is not seen as ...
Divide, Provide, and Rule: An Integrative History of Poverty Policy, ...
https://books.google.hu/books?isbn=6155053197 -
Susan Zimmermann - 2011 - ‎History
For mothers who were not of full age—in Hungary 24 years—a professional guardian was appointed for the child automatically, while for mothers from the age of ...

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 day8 hrs (2016-08-23 15:41:07 GMT)
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(professional guardian -1580, institutional guardian - 624 találat, idézőjelben keresve)

Pukkadjon meg a TEGYESZ, minden normális hivatal alapító okiratában benne van a neve angolul, németül meg franciául, de ebben persze dafke nincsen benne:
http://www.tegyesz.hu/file/AO_2015.pdf

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Note added at 1 day8 hrs (2016-08-23 15:59:20 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Fővárosi Gyermekvédelmi Központ és Területi Gyermekvédelmi Szakszolgálat
Metropolitan Centre for Child Protection and Regional Child Protection Service
(Center, ha USA-angol)


http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/networks/eur...
Policies on reception, return and integration arrangements for, and numbers of, unaccompanied minors in Hungary

In completing the study officials involved in procedures and care related to unaccompanied minors (representing both governmental and nongovernmental organisations) were consulted: e.g. Office of Immigration and Nationality (Bevándorlási és Állampolgársági Hivatal), National Police Headquarters (Országos Rendőr-Főkapitányság), Metropolitan Child Protection Service (Fővárosi Területi Gyermekvédelmi Szakszolgálat), Guardianship Office of the 5th District in Budapest (Budapest V. Kerületi Gyámhivatal), Hungarian Interchurch Aid (Magyar Ökumenikus Segélyszervezet), Hungarian Helsinki Committee (Magyar Helsinki Bizottság), etc.

Regional Child Protection Service | Facebook
https://hu-hu.facebook.com/.../Regional-Child-Protection-Ser...
Regional Child Protection Service, Ózd.

European Protection Systems in the areas of childcare and long ...
www.euro.centre.org/data/1449059839_59841.pdf

Regional Child Protection Center - UnityPoint Health
https://www.unitypoint.org/blankchildrens/services-child-pro...
Our team at the Regional Child Protection Center (RCPC) gives children who ... these services are all offered in an easy to access, child-friendly environment ...

Child Protection Service - Better Health Channel
https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/.../child-protect...
Child Protection provides child-centred, family-focused services to protect ... To make a report of child abuse, contact your regional Child Protection office as ...

akkor legyen már valami kerek válasz:
(Decree):
The Guardianship Office of the [...st/rd/th District in Budapest vagy csak a város neve], approves the guardianship petition of the (***orokbefogadni szandekozo, na ezt nem tudom, mondjuk valami petitioner, ha tippelhetek***) and the professional guardian [name: NEV] [resident of: CIM] employed by [megye neve] County Child Protection Service



és tényleg petition, miamanó:
Guardianship Forms - King County
www.kingcounty.gov/courts/scforms/guardianship.aspx
- Below you will find a list of commonly used guardianship forms. ... these forms, please contact the Family Law Facilitators Office at 206-296-9297. ... G-9, Petition for Order Approving Guardian's Activities and Final Report, N/A.
Kings County Supreme - Civil Term, 2nd JD - Elder Law-Guardianship
https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/2jd/kings/civil/guardianship...
- A guardianship petition under Article 81 of the Mental Hygiene Law is ... It is approved in the Guardianship Office (Room 285) and then filed ...


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Note added at 1 day8 hrs (2016-08-23 16:00:15 GMT)
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(Hát nem irigyellek... jó munkát)

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Note added at 9 days (2016-08-31 10:44:23 GMT) Post-grading
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Hartelijk bedankt!

Erzsébet Czopyk
Hungary
Local time: 19:34
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in HungarianHungarian
PRO pts in category: 44
Grading comment
Koszonom!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Tibor Pataki: mestermunka!
2 hrs
  -> Hűűűű (mondta Micimackó és megtörölte izzadt homlokát :), nagyon-nagyon szépen köszönöm!

agree  JANOS SAMU: Ez is jó, csak éppen nem Department (a hivatkozásban is rosszul van), mert a szakszolgálat önálló intézmény, nem pedig egy főosztály vagy más intézmény osztálya, de mivel a Department csak zárójelben szerepelt, nem része a lényegnek.
10 hrs
  -> Igazad van a törvény szerint, köszönöm a javítást! és igen, elismerem, hogy nem jó a department, igazad van.

agree  Iosif JUHASZ
3 days 9 hrs
  -> Köszönöm szépen, Iosif!

neutral  Ildiko Santana: Te magad írod: "a hivatásos nevelőszülő nem alkalmazott" - akkor miért jelenik meg mégis az "employed"?
9 days
  -> mert János rámutatott, hogy nincs igazam a TEGYESZ miatt, Ildikó
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