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condamnation

English translation: deadlatch OR locking points (points de condamnation)

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French term or phrase:condamnation
English translation:deadlatch OR locking points (points de condamnation)
Entered by: Maxime Bujakov

09:58 Apr 11, 2016
French to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Engineering: Industrial / locks - hardware
French term or phrase: condamnation
Condamnation par l'intérieur avec un bouton

Context 1: Choix du modèle du cylindre en fonction de son système de fermeture -
version à cylindre côté extérieur (Appelé aussi verrou de cave destiné aux portes de cave sans condamnation intérieure).

Context 2: S'il est toujours possible de rajouter des verrous, il reste préférable d'utiliser un verrou multipoints qui assure une condamnation en plusieurs points de la porte avec fermeture/ouverture avec une seul clé. NOMBRES DE POINTS DE CONDAMNATION

Context 3: Une serrure à encastrer sans trou de clé (bec de cane) qui maintient simplement la porte en position fermé (mais pas verrouillée) sera choisie pour une porte de salon alors qu'une serrure à condamnation sera préférable pour une salle de bain

the terms to be distinguished:

système de fermeture, fermeture et verrouillage. mécanisme de condamnation et type de protection

I suspect that Context 2 is probably different from 1 and 3 as it talks about latching points.
Regarding Context 1 & 3, I understand that I push the button on the knob, and the lock gets locked.
However, there are 2 possibilities:
(a) when such a button is pushed, the lock cannot be unlocked from the other side even with a key, or
(b) the door is locked but can be unlocked from the other side with a key.

What would be the right terms in English for Possibilities (a) and (b)?

Thank you!
Maxime Bujakov
France
Local time: 22:47
deadlatch OR locking points (points de condamnation)
Explanation:
Locking points for Context 2.

http://www.confused.com/home-insurance/guides/lock-types-exp...
http://www.batiproduits.com/batiwiki/Serrure-A-Bec-Cane-A-Ve...



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Note added at 31 mins (2016-04-11 10:29:51 GMT)
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"Condamnation" can also be translated as "deadlock", but that is more correctly "serrure à pêne dormant".

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Note added at 4 hrs (2016-04-11 14:26:05 GMT)
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This reference shows a "Serrure à encastrer sans condamnation," i.e. without either a deadlock or a deadlatch. So, perhaps the best description is a non-locking door latch. You wouldn't want anyone accidentally locking themselves in the cellar. On the other hand, you equally wouldn't want someone on the outside either accidentally or deliberately locking another person in the cellar.

https://www.locksonline.com/Mortice-latch-57-mm-backset-76-m...
"Legge Standard Non-Locking Door Latch, 57mm Backset
...
Price From: £16.31 + VAT

• Operation: Latch bolt operated by lever handles"
Selected response from:

B D Finch
France
Local time: 22:47
Grading comment
Thank you, deadlatch wins over privacy lock as a privacy lock seems to be a lock based on the deadlatch
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +3deadlatch OR locking points (points de condamnation)
B D Finch
4 -1privacy (lock)
Didier Fourcot
1internal lock
DD FF (X)


Discussion entries: 1





  

Answers


47 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 1/5Answerer confidence 1/5
internal lock


Explanation:
Hello,

I'm not that much in French, but I thought this idea might be of a help for you.

l'intérieur avec un bouton : kind of an internal lock, that could despense the key (like the car door lock)

wish the very best.

DD FF (X)
Saudi Arabia
Local time: 23:47
Native speaker of: Native in ArabicArabic
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
privacy (lock)


Explanation:
Une "serrure à condamnation" est en français un modèle pourvu d'un bouton ou autre système pour fermer de l'intérieur, l'utilisation la plus courante es tpour les salles de bain et toilettes:
https://www.poignee-porte.fr/sous-categorie-poignees-de-port...
http://www.leroymerlin.fr/v3/p/produits/serrure-encastree-st...

En anglais c'est "privavy lock":
http://www.kwikset.com/products/functions/privacy-bed-bath.a...
il y a même une appli Android portant ce nom pour "verrouiller" votre téléphone


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDTeypWLeXM
    Reference: http://www.homedepot.com/b/Tools-Hardware-Hardware-Door-Knob...
Didier Fourcot
Local time: 22:47
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 28

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Daryo: "privacy" is not the point especially in "points de condamnation" which can be about any door
9 hrs
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28 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
deadlatch OR locking points (points de condamnation)


Explanation:
Locking points for Context 2.

http://www.confused.com/home-insurance/guides/lock-types-exp...
http://www.batiproduits.com/batiwiki/Serrure-A-Bec-Cane-A-Ve...



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Note added at 31 mins (2016-04-11 10:29:51 GMT)
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"Condamnation" can also be translated as "deadlock", but that is more correctly "serrure à pêne dormant".

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Note added at 4 hrs (2016-04-11 14:26:05 GMT)
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This reference shows a "Serrure à encastrer sans condamnation," i.e. without either a deadlock or a deadlatch. So, perhaps the best description is a non-locking door latch. You wouldn't want anyone accidentally locking themselves in the cellar. On the other hand, you equally wouldn't want someone on the outside either accidentally or deliberately locking another person in the cellar.

https://www.locksonline.com/Mortice-latch-57-mm-backset-76-m...
"Legge Standard Non-Locking Door Latch, 57mm Backset
...
Price From: £16.31 + VAT

• Operation: Latch bolt operated by lever handles"

B D Finch
France
Local time: 22:47
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 86
Grading comment
Thank you, deadlatch wins over privacy lock as a privacy lock seems to be a lock based on the deadlatch

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Chakib Roula
20 mins
  -> Thanks Chakib
neutral  Didier Fourcot: I guess you confused the outside lock with a "condamnation" and the lock described on point 3 of context, that is a privacy lock for an interior door, for example bathroom
2 hrs
  -> A deadlatch (unlike a deadbolt) is what you often have on the inside of a bathroom door and is a device that stops the latch operated by the door handle from opening. An alternative is a deadlock operated by a twist knob, usually below the latch.
agree  Daryo: locking points / bolts going into the door frame
12 hrs
  -> Thanks Daryo
agree  narasimha (X): I agree with you
17 hrs
  -> Thanks narasimha
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