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zone du croissant pauvre

English translation: a crescent-shaped area with high levels of poverty

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French term or phrase:zone du croissant pauvre
English translation:a crescent-shaped area with high levels of poverty
Entered by: B D Finch

12:00 Aug 16, 2015
French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
French term or phrase: zone du croissant pauvre
"une grande disparité socio-économique existe entre le nord et le sud de la région, et une zone du croissant pauvre"

Not sure whether this refers to a hard core of poverty or whether this is a geographically-bound poor area.

Any suggestions for a translation into English?

Thanks!
Scott Frisby
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:59
a crescent-shaped area with high levels of poverty
Explanation:
This very much depends upon whether your text is about Brussels or another place with a similarly crescent-shaped, economically deprived area. If not, then it shouldn't really refer to "le croissant pauvre" in the source text and you should omit "crescent-shaped" in translation; however a translator's note would be a good idea.

http://www.ibsa.irisnet.be/glossaire#.VdCby5eGSik
" Croissant pauvre
Zone concentrant depuis plusieurs décennies les populations les moins favorisées sur le plan économique. Elle reprend les quartiers en première couronne nord et ouest, qui sont parmi les plus pauvres de la Région bruxelloise et qui forment un croissant autour du centre-ville. Les quartiers de cette zone sont :

* à l’intérieur du Pentagone, à l’ouest de la jonction nord-midi plus les Marolles;

* l’est d’Anderlecht et de Molenbeek-Saint-Jean (entre le chemin de fer et le canal);

* au nord, la commune de Saint-Josse, l’ouest de Schaerbeek et les zones industrielles le long du canal;

* au sud, le bas de Saint-Gilles et le bas de Forest."
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B D Finch
France
Local time: 17:59
Grading comment
Thanks, as it was about Brussels, I thought it important to speak about the shape of poverty distribution
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +3the area with high concentration of poor people
Francois Boye
3 +3a crescent-shaped area with high levels of poverty
B D Finch
4crescent of poverty/poverty crescent
AbrahamS
Summary of reference entries provided
Official report
Nikki Scott-Despaigne

  

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48 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
the area with high concentration of poor people


Explanation:
'Zone du croissant pauvre' is an expression coined in Brussels, Belgium

Croissant pauvre

Zone concentrant depuis plusieurs décennies les populations les moins favorisées sur le plan économique. Elle reprend les quartiers en première couronne nord et ouest, qui sont parmi les plus pauvres de la Région bruxelloise et qui forment un croissant autour du centre-ville. Les quartiers de cette zone sont :

à l’intérieur du Pentagone, à l’ouest de la jonction nord-midi plus les Marolles;


l’est d’Anderlecht et de Molenbeek-Saint-Jean (entre le chemin de fer et le canal);


au nord, la commune de Saint-Josse, l’ouest de Schaerbeek et les zones industrielles le long du canal;


au sud, le bas de Saint-Gilles et le bas de Forest.



Francois Boye
United States
Local time: 11:59
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 19

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Carol Gullidge: Well done, you seem to have hit the nail on the head with your definition of "croissant pauvre"
8 mins
  -> Thanks, Carol!
agree  Philippa Smith: or just "disavantaged area"
1 hr
  -> Thanks, Pjhilippa!
neutral  Nikki Scott-Despaigne: You forgot to cite your source, but I think this is it : http://www.ibsa.irisnet.be/glossaire#.VdCp5vntmko If actually about BSL, then the "crescent" shape needs to appear in the EN version.
2 hrs
agree  Wendy Streitparth: With Philippa
3 hrs
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
a crescent-shaped area with high levels of poverty


Explanation:
This very much depends upon whether your text is about Brussels or another place with a similarly crescent-shaped, economically deprived area. If not, then it shouldn't really refer to "le croissant pauvre" in the source text and you should omit "crescent-shaped" in translation; however a translator's note would be a good idea.

http://www.ibsa.irisnet.be/glossaire#.VdCby5eGSik
" Croissant pauvre
Zone concentrant depuis plusieurs décennies les populations les moins favorisées sur le plan économique. Elle reprend les quartiers en première couronne nord et ouest, qui sont parmi les plus pauvres de la Région bruxelloise et qui forment un croissant autour du centre-ville. Les quartiers de cette zone sont :

* à l’intérieur du Pentagone, à l’ouest de la jonction nord-midi plus les Marolles;

* l’est d’Anderlecht et de Molenbeek-Saint-Jean (entre le chemin de fer et le canal);

* au nord, la commune de Saint-Josse, l’ouest de Schaerbeek et les zones industrielles le long du canal;

* au sud, le bas de Saint-Gilles et le bas de Forest."


B D Finch
France
Local time: 17:59
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 78
Grading comment
Thanks, as it was about Brussels, I thought it important to speak about the shape of poverty distribution

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Nikki Scott-Despaigne: Valid points.
55 mins
  -> Thanks Nikki
agree  Tony M
58 mins
  -> Thanks Tony
agree  philgoddard: AbrahamS' answer is more concise, but you were first with the idea.
14 hrs
  -> Thanks Phil. Whether or not one goes for concise depends upon the readership. However, the first mention could be long and subsequent mentions more concise.
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11 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
crescent of poverty/poverty crescent


Explanation:
Both versions of the expression are used not only for Brussels (see ref.1 p.4 & ref.2 p.8), but also for similar-shaped zones around some US cities (Rochester, Charlotte, Austin), around other cities such as Lima, or bigger regions in the world. Besides, both versions seem to me pretty self-explanatory (in their nature if not their location).


    Reference: http://repository.tudelft.nl/assets/uuid:92601a8c-80f8-4973-...
    Reference: http://www.brusselskunstenoverleg.be/sites/default/files/cit...
AbrahamS
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:59
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
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Reference comments


3 hrs
Reference: Official report

Reference information:
"Croissant pauvre" used 12 times in this BE document about BSL.

http://www.observatbru.be/documents/graphics/dossiers/dossie...

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Note added at 3 hrs (2015-08-16 15:35:25 GMT)
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Dated 2002.

Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 12
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