общественное объединение "Дети-рабы в руках попрошаек"

English translation: Public Association "Child Slaves in Beggars' Hands"

06:18 Jun 20, 2015

Russian to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc. / child welfare

Russian term or phrase: общественное объединение "Дети-рабы в руках попрошаек"

It's the name of a children's charity. I was thinking of calling it Child-slaves in the Hands of Beggars. What would you call it?

Their website is here: http://spasi-detstvo.ru/ for more information.

Sarah McDowell KudoZ activity Questions: 121 (5 open) (9 closed without grading) Answers: 118 Canada
Local time: 10:03

English translation:Public Association "Child Slaves in Beggars' Hands"

Explanation:
I like Sarah's version, but this one is shorter.

Selected response from:

OWatts
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:03

Grading comment

Thank you very much for your advice!
3 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +3

Public Association "Child Slaves in Beggars' Hands"

OWatts

kids slavery under professional beggars / professional beggar's slave children

Michael Korovkin

4 -1

"Children are slaves in the hands of beggars"

Turdimurod Rakhmanov

The stolen chidhood

El oso

Children Enslaved for Begging

Roman Bouchev

Discussion entries: 5

Roman Bouchev

Russian Federation

Sarah,

23:03 Jun 21, 2015

If I were you, I would keep the word against out of the name and let it work to explain the group's mission statement. The same applies to its legal status, which stands apart, and should do so, as most examples of such civic initiatives show. Furthermore, the concept of child slavery is too diverse in a number of countries to disregard its specific form, namely street begging. Given an adequate design and font, the title should look fine with no articles attached, as it's been proposed by OWatts.

Turdimurod Rakhmanov

Kyrgyzstan

05:48 Jun 21, 2015

Yes, I hope all would agree with that, "Public Association against Child Slavery", sorry I gave you the Russian version of the VK page,
here is the page that I referred to https://vk.com/topic-74216416_30192395?post=5182
you see the letter part of the page
where Volunteer of Russian group "Children are slaves in the hands of beggars"
Moscow, Russia
I hope It would help

Sarah McDowell

Canada

ASKER

Thanks

22:22 Jun 20, 2015

I saw that VK page but there was no English version there. Anyways, I appreciate everyone's suggestions. I was thinking of adding the word "against" into the name of the association so that it's clear that they are against children being enslaved by beggars.

I was thinking about calling it Public Association against Child Slavery.

Turdimurod Rakhmanov

Kyrgyzstan

20:33 Jun 20, 2015

If translation were needed, "Child slaves in Beggars' Hands" and other translations would be great (just my opinion), and I also think the meaning of the children's charity name would not be just informative. The verb "to be" has effective function here to give more stress on this issue and attract our attention. here publicist style is used, in this stylistic style, one may use complete sentence, spoken lang. and slang.
Функции публицистического стиля:
Информационная — стремление в кратчайший срок сообщить людям о свежих новостях
Воздействующая — стремление повлиять на мнение людей по поводу какой-либо общественно-политической или социальной проблемы

Turdimurod Rakhmanov

Kyrgyzstan

06:32 Jun 20, 2015

@Asker
Please check here https://vk.com/topic-74216416_30156924?offset=360
this is the name of the organization, therefore we don't change it

Answers

6 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

"Children are slaves in the hands of beggars"

Explanation:
I think that non-governmental organization is called "Children are slaves in the hands of beggars"

Example sentence(s):

Turdimurod Rakhmanov
Kyrgyzstan
Local time: 21:03
Native speaker of:

Uzbek,

Kirghiz
PRO pts in category: 4

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks Turdimurot! There is no English version so whatever I call it will become the official name. Your suggestion sounds good.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

David Knowles

1 hr

-> Thanks David, I did not translate because it is an organization.

agree

Natalia Volkova

4 hrs

-> Thanks Natalia

disagree

Max Deryagin: I think Sarah's own version is better. Your translation seems to imply that you took "-" for an em dash and not a hyphen.

5 hrs

-> This is the name of the organization. It should not be translated

disagree

Michael Korovkin: doesn't make much sense:which children are slaves in the hands of beggars?All of them? It'a hyphen here: child-slaves

8 hrs

-> yes, but that non-gov. organization is registered by that name, would you change it? Even if it is in the Russian Language, it should be as it is I think. "children are slaves" by saying this here more stress given on this issue to attract attention.

disagree

Roman Bouchev: The meaning is lost in the structure you've a preference for, I beleive. Take a closer look at the official cap on the website. There's no verb 'to be', and besides, the word 'hands' is a redundancy that could be sacrificied for the sake of brevity.

9 hrs

-> Yes, your and other's opinion regarding the sentence is reasonable, I thought if it is the name of the organization should not be changed.

34 mins confidence:

The stolen chidhood

Explanation:
As an option;
IMO, it's really just a matter of personal preference and imagination what one would call it

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Note added at 38 mins (2015-06-20 06:57:05 GMT)
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It's supposed to be "childhood", sorry for the misprint :-)

El oso
Russian Federation
PRO pts in category: 4

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thank you for this alternative suggestion. It sounds more poetic, like the title of a movie.

9 hrs confidence:

Children Enslaved for Begging

Explanation:
First, I would omit the word hands as the idea of exploitation by someone else for money or illicit purposes is implied by slavery. Second, I do not think it makes any sense to phrase a complete sentence with the verb to be for no other reason than it is a campaign against the use of children in begging, but not just a statement of fact for reflection, though not at all untrue considering the global trends of human trafficking. Third, because there is no official title for this group (a letter written by a Russian girl in clumsy English has been posted for the sake of calling for action to outside agencies is a bad justification) and it's not yet become a household name unlike the phenomenon, there is still time to provide a different translation.

Roman Bouchev
Russian Federation
Local time: 18:03
Native speaker of: Russian
PRO pts in category: 8

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks Roman for your idea. Do you think I should say something like "against" to make it obvious that the organization is against child slaves used by beggars?

10 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

Public Association "Child Slaves in Beggars' Hands"

Explanation:
I like Sarah's version, but this one is shorter.

OWatts
United Kingdom
Local time: 16:03
Works in field
Native speaker of: Russian
PRO pts in category: 3

Grading comment

Thank you very much for your advice!

Notes to answerer

Asker: This is very good, thanks. Anything to make it shorter, as it's already long and awkward.

8 hrs confidence:

kids slavery under professional beggars / professional beggar's slave children

Explanation:
What an absurd name for an organization!

Anyway, I would definitelly stress "professional": beggar per se is or should not sound derogatory. Otherwise it sounds plutôt pas PC :)

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Note added at 1 day10 hrs (2015-06-21 16:30:26 GMT)
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"Save the beggars' slave children", then?

Michael Korovkin
Italy
Local time: 17:03
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English,

Russian

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks for your suggestion of adding the word professional. It's certainly true that they try to make their living doing this. I agree that it's a very weird name for an organization. I would like to add the word "against" into the title somehow. I wouldn't worry about being too PC. It's for Russia after all.

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