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les bâtiments des communs

English translation: service quarters

17:12 Apr 27, 2015
French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Architecture / 17th Century French architecture
French term or phrase: les bâtiments des communs
"Les Vieux Melays (Neuvy)
Visite commentée des extérieurs. Les Vieux Melays représentent un exemple type de manoir bourbonnais comprenant une maison d’habitation basse avec deux tours carrées, précédée d’une vaste cour, encadrée par ***les bâtiments des communs***, la chapelle et le pigeonnier, et fermés par un remarquable portail sculpté. Ensemble construit en 1660-1670 en un seul tenant."

http://lesvieuxmelays.com/
Conor McAuley
France
Local time: 03:46
English translation:service quarters
Explanation:
Reference: GDT - service quarters

Reference information:
Ghyslaine has posted an interesting source which indicates that such buildings can house stables and a chapel. I think "outbuildings" is not specific enough as to the purpose of the buildings and that "service quarters", as suggested by the GDT, may be more appropriate. Again, I'm not certain that "service quarters" allows for the inclusion of a chapel. I suspect it might though. I need to do more V.O. research.

http://www.granddictionnaire.com/ficheOqlf.aspx?Id_Fiche=849...

communs

Domaine
bâtiment > habitation
Auteur
Fédération internationale des géomètres, 1965
Définition
Ensemble des logements de service comme les écuries, les cuisines, les habitations des domestiques. Ex. : les communs d'un château.
Terme
communs n. m. pl.
Anglais
Haut de la page
Auteur
Fédération internationale des géomètres, 1965
Notes
Ex.: service quarters of a castle.
Terme
service quarters


http://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/communs/17541

Dans un château, une grande maison, ensemble des logements du service (cuisine, écuries, habitations des domestiques, etc.).

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Note added at 34 mins (2015-04-27 17:47:15 GMT)
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I think this illustrates what I am trying to explain, that the services quarters are in the outbuildings, as here:

http://www.chateaudebourgon.com/service-quarters/


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Note added at 35 mins (2015-04-27 17:48:17 GMT)
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I found soucres referring to "service quarters" in Ancient Egypt so am not sure that there is a problem of anachronicity.

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Note added at 36 mins (2015-04-27 17:49:10 GMT)
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http://www.patrice-besse.co.uk/castles-for-sale-France/lille...

11th and 19th century with service quarters.
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Local time: 03:46
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4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +3outbuildings
Ghyslaine LE NAGARD
3 +4service quarters
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Summary of reference entries provided
les communs
Daryo

  

Answers


13 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
outbuildings


Explanation:
http://chateaubercy.wifeo.com/les-communs.php

Ghyslaine LE NAGARD
New Caledonia
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  philgoddard
6 mins
neutral  Nikki Scott-Despaigne: Interesting source and according to which these outbuilding can house anything from a chapel to stables and in which case, I am not sure that "outbuildings" would be sufficient.
9 mins
agree  Christopher Crockett: "Outbuildings" works for me. "A large courtyard, surrounded by outbuildings (including a chapel and pigeon house), accessed through an elaborate portal."
1 hr
agree  Simon Charass
3 hrs
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30 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +4
service quarters


Explanation:
Reference: GDT - service quarters

Reference information:
Ghyslaine has posted an interesting source which indicates that such buildings can house stables and a chapel. I think "outbuildings" is not specific enough as to the purpose of the buildings and that "service quarters", as suggested by the GDT, may be more appropriate. Again, I'm not certain that "service quarters" allows for the inclusion of a chapel. I suspect it might though. I need to do more V.O. research.

http://www.granddictionnaire.com/ficheOqlf.aspx?Id_Fiche=849...

communs

Domaine
bâtiment > habitation
Auteur
Fédération internationale des géomètres, 1965
Définition
Ensemble des logements de service comme les écuries, les cuisines, les habitations des domestiques. Ex. : les communs d'un château.
Terme
communs n. m. pl.
Anglais
Haut de la page
Auteur
Fédération internationale des géomètres, 1965
Notes
Ex.: service quarters of a castle.
Terme
service quarters


http://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/communs/17541

Dans un château, une grande maison, ensemble des logements du service (cuisine, écuries, habitations des domestiques, etc.).

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Note added at 34 mins (2015-04-27 17:47:15 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

I think this illustrates what I am trying to explain, that the services quarters are in the outbuildings, as here:

http://www.chateaudebourgon.com/service-quarters/


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Note added at 35 mins (2015-04-27 17:48:17 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

I found soucres referring to "service quarters" in Ancient Egypt so am not sure that there is a problem of anachronicity.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 36 mins (2015-04-27 17:49:10 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

http://www.patrice-besse.co.uk/castles-for-sale-France/lille...

11th and 19th century with service quarters.

Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Local time: 03:46
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 7
Grading comment
Selected automatically based on peer agreement.
Notes to answerer
Asker: The word "service" did come to mind, but seemed a bit modern in this context.

Asker: Fair enough -- thanks for all the research.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Christopher Crockett: "Service quarters" has something of the ring of "servants' quarters" to my jaded, aristocratic ear."Service buildings" might work --though not quite as well as the all purpose "out buildings," especially if the precise function of the buildings is stated.
48 mins
agree  Charles Davis: I agree with you. In principle, not all outbuildings are "communs", and indeed, according to the asker's text, the chapel and the dovecote (which are outbuildings) are separate from the "communs". Maybe service buildings, as CC suggests.)
2 hrs
agree  Tony M: I would echo the points made by Charles.
8 hrs
agree  Daryo: buildings that are in "common use" by everyone, by opposition to the "private" master's quarters
12 hrs
agree  B D Finch
18 hrs
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Reference comments


13 hrs
Reference: les communs

Reference information:
L'art des jardins: Traité général de la composition des ... - Page 837

https://books.google.co.uk/books?isbn... - Translate this page
Edouard André - 2014 - ‎Preview - ‎More editions


Les applications de l'architecture pittoresque trouvent naturellement leur place dams la construction des communs, nom générique donné aux bâtiments de service d'une propriété, écuries, remises, dépendances diverses, qui ne font pas partie de l'habitation de maître proprement dite.


https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=wsWfBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA837&dq...

Daryo
United Kingdom
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 23
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