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énergie non-propulsive

English translation: non-propulsive power

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French term or phrase:énergie non-propulsive
English translation:non-propulsive power
Entered by: B D Finch

09:55 Apr 23, 2015
French to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Aerospace / Aviation / Space
French term or phrase: énergie non-propulsive
This is from a patent:

Autrement dit, un moteur d'aéronef fournit, d'une part, une énergie propulsive pour permettre à l'aéronef de se déplacer et, d'autre part, une énergie non propulsive, qui est utilisée comme source principale d'énergie du réseau d'alimentation électrique.

Elsewhere it talks about a 'main power unit', so using the concept of an 'auxiliary power unit' as a base, can I translate this as 'auxiliary energy'? Not many hits for it, but then there's not many for 'non-propulsive energy' or even 'propulsive energy'. So, do I need to take a more liberal approach here; energy used for propulsion/ not used for propulsion?

Thanks in advance!
Claire Knell
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:28
non-propulsive power
Explanation:
www.transport-research.info/web/projects/project_details.cfm?id=41344
Electro Mechanical Actuators for Aircrafts and Helicopters ... for the next generation of aircraft to lower consumption of non-propulsive power and thus fuel burn.

www.flightglobal.com/.../in-focus-all-electric-systems-prom...
24 Jul 2012 - One of the most familiar sounds on an aircraft - one that disconcerts many ... generator for non-propulsive power, the auxiliary power unit (APU).
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B D Finch
France
Local time: 11:28
Grading comment
Thank you very much!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



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4 +5non-propulsive power
B D Finch
3non-propulsion / auxiliary power
Tony M


  

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21 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +5
non-propulsive power


Explanation:
www.transport-research.info/web/projects/project_details.cfm?id=41344
Electro Mechanical Actuators for Aircrafts and Helicopters ... for the next generation of aircraft to lower consumption of non-propulsive power and thus fuel burn.

www.flightglobal.com/.../in-focus-all-electric-systems-prom...
24 Jul 2012 - One of the most familiar sounds on an aircraft - one that disconcerts many ... generator for non-propulsive power, the auxiliary power unit (APU).

B D Finch
France
Local time: 11:28
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 50
Grading comment
Thank you very much!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Tony M
8 mins
  -> Thanks Tony
agree  Jannick Roger Markussen: https://scholar.google.dk/scholar?q="non propulsive power" a...
11 mins
  -> Thanks Jannick
agree  Louisa Tchaicha
42 mins
  -> Thanks Louisa
agree  praxisfrench
1 hr
  -> Thanks
agree  chris collister: Yes, APU
3 hrs
  -> Thanks Chris
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6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
non-propulsion / auxiliary power


Explanation:
I only give this medium confidence, as I haven't got time to check it out.

But I really wanted just to point out that very frequently,, when FR uses 'énergie', in EN we use 'power' — cf. expressions like 'motive power' etc. and of course 'Powergen'!

So you may find your further researchees are more fruitfiul if you start looking around 'power' instead — certainly the term 'auxiliary power' is used in very many fields; but I suspect here they may be specifically seeking to emphasisze the 'not for propulsion' aspect, and such precision is important in a patent, so you may need to look a little further for the appropriate EN term.

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Note added at 4 heures (2015-04-23 14:40:28 GMT)
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In fact, much to even my surprise "propulsion power" returns over twice as many Ghits as "propulsive power", as mentioned below by BDF; so it seems that both are valid terms — though possibly not interchangeable.

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Note added at 7 jours (2015-04-30 12:47:34 GMT) Post-grading
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Claire, my remark was not directed at yourself, but at commentators who are not satisfied with answers based on my personal knowledge and experience.
Exactly in order to help people learn, I don't believe in spoon-feeding askers with ready-made answers, but rather to help them with some basic information that will hopefully unlock the key to their own further research — helping them in fact to help themselves.

I felt sure in your case that once I had given you a couple of basic pointers, you would have no trouble pursuing your own research.

Tony M
France
Local time: 11:28
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 116
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you for pointing me in the right direction Tony!

Asker: Thanks very much for all your help Tony - I sincerely appreciate it. However, a little disappointed by 'too busy to do Asker's research for her..'. I sometimes just need pointing in the right direction and want to ensure I get the right terminology. I have pointed out on many occasions that I am relatively new to the patent field as I am being trained up and am actually a medical translator. I just want to learn and have always found you to be extremely helpful, so I felt your comment was a little unwarranted. Nevertheless, thanks for your help here and on other questions.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  B D Finch: Was about to agree, but it's non-propulsive. You're certainly right re "power" for "energie".// I have a feeling there is a logical/grammatical reason why it's a propulsion motor, but propulsive power, but can't get my head around it at the moment.
16 mins
  -> Well, as I said, i'm too busy to do Asker's research for her, and for me the real issue was the 'power' one; however, do note that in many similar contexts, 'propulsion' IS used, cf. 'propulsion motor', so I'm not convinced it would NEVER be used here.
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