Herrschaftsbildung

English translation: ruling entity/ruling establishment/dominion

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German term or phrase:Herrschaftsbildung
English translation:ruling entity/ruling establishment/dominion
Entered by: Craig Meulen

10:27 Mar 4, 2015
German to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - History
German term or phrase: Herrschaftsbildung
Bis heute ist das Fürstentum von XXY eine der berühmten Herrschaftsbildungen (des Landes).

The author of the text doesn't like my suggestion:
Even today, the Principality of XXY is regarded as one of the most famous ruling establishments in (the country’s) history.

So I'm looking for another alternative to "ruling establishment". We're talking about (the country) which is much wider than the area XXY where this principality was, but it now exists as a country covering an area where there was in general a lot of variation in who had power over which region and what form of government that was, sometimes subject to external powers that had invaded etc. etc. So the world "-bildung" has to cover ALL of those!
Craig Meulen
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:44
Dominion
Explanation:
At varying times different groups held dominion over shifting territories; 'dominion' in the sense of ' held sway over', i.e, 'ruled';

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Dominion means actual places or territory i.e, "the King's dominions", it also means 'holding the rule of law over' similar to 'jurisdiction' in its literal and metaphoric meanings, and in common parlanceoften means 'to hold sway over' , i.e, to be in a position of power or influence over someone, some area; that's why I think it fits here.
Selected response from:

Andrew Bramhall
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:44
Grading comment
I'm choosing this answer because it inspired me to use the word "dominion" in my translation, although mainly for "Herrschaftsbereich". I ended up writing "ruling entity" in the sentence in question and using expressions around "structure" and "formation" in other places.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2Dominion
Andrew Bramhall
3reigning ( or ruling) establishment (or body)
Donald Jacobson
3Dynastic structure
Andrew Bramhall
3seat of power
Wendy Streitparth
2ruling class formation
gangels (X)


Discussion entries: 14





  

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3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
Dominion


Explanation:
At varying times different groups held dominion over shifting territories; 'dominion' in the sense of ' held sway over', i.e, 'ruled';

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Note added at 1 hr (2015-03-04 12:27:27 GMT)
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Dominion means actual places or territory i.e, "the King's dominions", it also means 'holding the rule of law over' similar to 'jurisdiction' in its literal and metaphoric meanings, and in common parlanceoften means 'to hold sway over' , i.e, to be in a position of power or influence over someone, some area; that's why I think it fits here.

Andrew Bramhall
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:44
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 12
Grading comment
I'm choosing this answer because it inspired me to use the word "dominion" in my translation, although mainly for "Herrschaftsbereich". I ended up writing "ruling entity" in the sentence in question and using expressions around "structure" and "formation" in other places.
Notes to answerer
Asker: I have 'domain' for 'Herrschaftsbereich', which could also be 'dominion'. But for '-bildung' I think the author is referring to the power structure more than the region. A word that covers all of 'ruling family', 'ruling house', 'secular ruler', 'imperial government'....

Asker: Yes, sorry, didn't mean to imply that your answer was unsuitable in general.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Nicola Wood: Sounds good to me
22 mins
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agree  Sam Townshend: My initial thought was 'power structures' but that's close to the OP's choice; thus is much better for conveying the multitude of smaller powers within a larger structure
34 mins
  -> Thanks
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reigning ( or ruling) establishment (or body)


Explanation:
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Donald Jacobson
United States
Local time: 11:44
Native speaker of: English
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks Donald, I'll take that as a confirmation that my "ruling establishment" is indeed used by us native speakers (although my client has disputed that).

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ruling class formation


Explanation:
or 'founding of a ruling class'
i.e. the process of crystallization of an upper crust, following its genesis

gangels (X)
Local time: 10:44
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 4
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Dynastic structure


Explanation:
is perhaps another way of referring to the ruling establishment;

Andrew Bramhall
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:44
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 12
Notes to answerer
Asker: Yes, some of the Herrschaftsbildungen are definitely dynastic structures.

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seat of power


Explanation:
If its what I think it is!

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@ Craig: Maybe seat of influence is more appropriate. If you can have a seat of learning, why not a seat of power? I would define it in a similar way to power base:
"a source of authority or influence, especially in politics, founded on support by an organized body of voters, ethnic minority, economic class, etc.: "
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/power base

Wendy Streitparth
Germany
Local time: 18:44
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 44
Notes to answerer
Asker: I'm curious, how would you define "seat of power"? It could be suitable (although I always chuckle 'cos I immediately think of a king's trousers...)

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