小人

English translation: Charlatans (I've put a few more below)

07:20 Oct 22, 2014
Chinese to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Poetry & Literature
Chinese term or phrase: 小人
孔子的小人。
I need a word for this, and it's got to be a good one. I've brainstormed, I've pondered, and I haven't got it yet...
They've got to be selfish, a bit pathetic, inconstant, untalented. In context:
说她是坏人吧,看重了她,但她实实在在地播下了永远也清除不净的罪恶的种子...对于这样的女人,我们所能给予的还是那个词:小人。小人的生存状态和社会后果,由此可见一斑。

My best ideas so far:
1) mediocrities 2) weasels
Phil Hand
China
Local time: 12:11
English translation:Charlatans (I've put a few more below)
Explanation:
Shams, rascals, good-for-nothings, ne'er-do-wells, rotters, maggots (maybe a bit too strong).

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Note added at 6 hrs (2014-10-22 13:45:58 GMT)
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I'd like to add riffraff and rabble.

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Note added at 8 days (2014-10-30 15:40:06 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks! Good luck with the rest of the text.
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Dariush Robertson
United Kingdom
Local time: 05:11
Grading comment
Thanks, Dariush. You get the points for giving the most options. In the end I've stuck with weasels.
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Summary of answers provided
4vile character/villain
Shang
4Sneaky Person
La Mi
4Petty man; petty person
psgolf
3women with little minds
Kate Shapkina
3mean person
Frank Wong
2 +1despicable person (weasel/rat/scoundrel)
Peter Zhuang
3dimwit
Bea Geenen
3a low-minded
tanglsus
3孔子的小人: Inferior
QHE
3Charlatans (I've put a few more below)
Dariush Robertson


Discussion entries: 2





  

Answers


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vile character/villain


Explanation:
可恶的家伙

Shang
China
Local time: 12:11
Native speaker of: Chinese
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women with little minds


Explanation:
Very interesting question. On one hand so simple, on another very difficult in its simplicity.
What about people/women with little minds? I think here the author wants to show his scornful attitude to the women, whose minds are limited, narrow and shallow.

Kate Shapkina
Kazakhstan
Local time: 10:11
Native speaker of: Russian
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Sneaky Person


Explanation:
sneaky person,especially one who betrays or informs upon associates

La Mi
China
Local time: 12:11
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in ChineseChinese
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mean person


Explanation:
According to a dictionary, mean: characterized by malice; having or showing an ignoble lack of honor or morality, or (used of persons or behavior) characterized by or indicative of lack of generosity


Frank Wong
Local time: 12:11
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5 peer agreement (net): +1
despicable person (weasel/rat/scoundrel)


Explanation:
君子与小人

a noble person and a despicable one

To add more emphasis:
a despicable weasel/rat/scoundrel as opposed to a noble gentleman/lady

Peter Zhuang
Germany
Local time: 06:11
Native speaker of: Native in ChineseChinese, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 2

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  David Lin: scoundrel
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dimwit


Explanation:
Or if it's only female: "bimbo".

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Note added at 7 hrs (2014-10-22 14:35:46 GMT)
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I just thought of another one - a lowlife.

Bea Geenen
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1 day 6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
a low-minded


Explanation:
a low-minded, a low-minded character/person

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tanglsus
United States
Local time: 00:11
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孔子的小人: Inferior


Explanation:
孔子论述的小人是与君子在理念, 道德修养和行为上的区别相对而论的. 与君子的 “superior” 对应, 或许可以考虑 “Inferior” or “minion”.

However, in the given context, I also thought about words such as churl, vulgarian, and subaltern.


QHE
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Charlatans (I've put a few more below)


Explanation:
Shams, rascals, good-for-nothings, ne'er-do-wells, rotters, maggots (maybe a bit too strong).

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Note added at 6 hrs (2014-10-22 13:45:58 GMT)
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I'd like to add riffraff and rabble.

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Note added at 8 days (2014-10-30 15:40:06 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks! Good luck with the rest of the text.

Dariush Robertson
United Kingdom
Local time: 05:11
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 12
Grading comment
Thanks, Dariush. You get the points for giving the most options. In the end I've stuck with weasels.
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30 days   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Petty man; petty person


Explanation:
I remember hearing Professor Robert Chard at Oxford University give a lecture on this term (he is an expert in classical Chinese, especially Spring and Autumn period). His suggested translation was 'petty man', or 'petty person'. I have an inkling this may be the suggested translation given by Raymond Dawson in his version of the Analects too...



    Reference: http://www.worldcat.org/title/confucius-the-analects/oclc/39...
psgolf
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