les règles d’une vie internationale normée

English translation: the norms of the international community

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French term or phrase:les règles d’une vie internationale normée
English translation:the norms of the international community
Entered by: Charlotte Allen

16:34 Sep 24, 2014
French to English translations [PRO]
Government / Politics
French term or phrase: les règles d’une vie internationale normée
"La question est surtout de savoir si les conceptions géopolitiques de XXX sont compatibles avec les règles d’une vie internationale normée."

Difficult to post more context due to the confidentiality of the text. This is in the context of a discussion of the impact that the crisis in Crimea is likely to have on the world's economies.

I'm really not sure how to translate "vie internationale normée". I would usually translate 'normé' as 'standardised' but I'm not sure how you can have a 'standardised international life'. I sense it's really referring more to international law/relations than life...but don't want to stray too far from the source text.

Any thoughts?
Charlotte Allen
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:17
international norms
Explanation:
the regulatory aspect being implicit, and shorthand offered since "normée" sort or implies that they refer more so to norms more than law agreed upon by treaty.

For example, "you shouldn't do that because international relations theory says it's stupid and therefore the international norm is to not do that" as opposed to "formal treaty named Formal Treaty" say thems is fighting words or that this is when to refer to WTO or UNSC via UNCLOS, or some such analogue.
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nweatherdon
Canada
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Thank you! I eventually went for "the norms of the international community" but your answer was most helpful
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Summary of answers provided
5the norms of well-ordered international relations
Daryo
4international norms
nweatherdon
4the accepted standards of international relations
Francis Marche
3the international rule of law
philgoddard
3with the standards of regulated international affairs
Gladis Audi, DipTrans
3the rules of conventional international relations
B D Finch
3 -1a context where international regulations apply
Philippa Smith


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the international rule of law


Explanation:
I'm putting medium confidence rather than high because we don't know who or what XX is (Vladimir Putin?), or what the "conceptions géopolitiques" are.

philgoddard
United States
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 42

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  writeaway: where does rule of law come from. There is nothing at all on the www. just vie normée. with no surrounding context (is it a secret document ??), it's anyone's guess
10 mins
  -> It's a reasonable assumption to make given the very limited context. I agree that Charlotte should be much more forthcoming.

neutral  Daryo: more precisely, what the ST is about is the question whether there is or not any kind of " international law"
18 hrs
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with the standards of regulated international affairs


Explanation:
I am not sure, it is just a suggestion.

with the standards of regulated international affairs

Gladis Audi, DipTrans
Netherlands
Local time: 12:17
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: French
PRO pts in category: 8

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neutral  Daryo: that's the basic idea: regulated international affairs as opposed to a "free for all" but not sure about the formulation
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international norms


Explanation:
the regulatory aspect being implicit, and shorthand offered since "normée" sort or implies that they refer more so to norms more than law agreed upon by treaty.

For example, "you shouldn't do that because international relations theory says it's stupid and therefore the international norm is to not do that" as opposed to "formal treaty named Formal Treaty" say thems is fighting words or that this is when to refer to WTO or UNSC via UNCLOS, or some such analogue.

nweatherdon
Canada
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 14
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Thank you! I eventually went for "the norms of the international community" but your answer was most helpful
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11 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
the accepted standards of international relations


Explanation:
"vie internationale" is not quite "international life" but "international relations" IMO.

Francis Marche
France
Local time: 12:17
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8

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neutral  Daryo: "standards of international relations" yes, but where do you see in this ST "accepted"?
7 hrs
  -> "accepted standards" is in "normée" -- they're "accepted" rather than "established standards" ("you won't claim any foreign territory your own", as was done in Crimea is an accepted standard, not set forth in so many words in any international instrument.
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14 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
the norms of well-ordered international relations


Explanation:
the rules of well-ordered international relations would be closer to the ST

normée = where there are rules, this idea is defined by opposition to a "free for all" i.e. total absence of rules

here you have to look at the wider meaning of "normée" - various standards BS DIN SAE GOST etc are maybe the most visible "normes", but what is referred to here is the basic idea behind all norms - to introduce some order by adopting/imposing technical / legal / ethical etc norms.

more http://www.academia.edu/6685612/Recognition_and_the_constitu...

Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:17
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Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 33
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the rules of conventional international relations


Explanation:
Another option. Because of the use of "normée", I don't think "règles" here is as formal as "regulations". "Conventional" in the sense of governed by conventions, i.e. ways of doing things accepted by the parties concerned and that keep the wheels oiled. Such conventions may or may not be explicitly set out in a written document.

B D Finch
France
Local time: 12:17
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Native speaker of: English
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a context where international regulations apply


Explanation:
As in: "are compatible with a context where international regulations apply."

I see the "normé" as "regulated", as in, subject to regulations. And I feel you need to get across the nuance of "UNE vie...", which I see as implying compatibility with that part of international "life" that is regulated (since not all of it is)...


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Note added at 18 hrs (2014-09-25 11:31:14 GMT)
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On reflection: "a context where international norms apply".

Philippa Smith
Local time: 12:17
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Francis Marche: Doubtful the Crimean affair has anything to do with a breach in "international regulations", which are by definition part of multilateral agreements
11 hrs
  -> I don't mean that there's a breach, but that xx may not be able to fit in with a context that is governed by int'l regulations in a very broad sense because xx does not recognise such norms - so yes, norms would maybe be better

disagree  Daryo: "international regulations" is not appropriate - this is not about some technical matters, it's at a far higher level of abstraction, about fundamental concepts of international relations
18 hrs
  -> I don't see "regulations" as necessarily technical, but on reflection think that "norms" would be better here
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