dépendant de la succession de leur auteur

22:27 Sep 3, 2014 

Auteur: FHS Bridge FR/EN glossary: ....predecessor-in-title; person through whom one claims.

18:19 Sep 3, 2014 

it is being sugested that a parent and child are perhaps involved here. Can you tell us from your document whether this is the case?

15:28 Sep 3, 2014 

Ok, you have argued that well and I am just about convinced! (Auteur d'une personne is still niggling me, though)!

Thanks a lot, Sue, for an interesting question and BD Finch and others for an interesting discussion. It's not as straightforward as it appears...!

14:27 Sep 3, 2014 

One can indeed be an "auteur d'une succession":
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... bénéficiaire (héritier ou donataire) et l'auteur de la libéralité (donateur ou auteur d'une succession). Le résultat peut être différent de l'impôt effectivement dû.

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Lorsque des capitaux prêtés par l'auteur d'une succession, avant son décès, n'étaient exigibles qu'à une époque postérieure au décès, et que mainlevée des ...

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Testateur décédé, auteur de la succession dont il est question.

14:21 Sep 3, 2014 

While that text does use the word parent, it is specifically arguing about the rights of illegitimate children (where the legator is also the parent) and it also uses the word "parent" as well as "auteur" in the French text. I think that, in that particular text, the term "auteur" is referring to the person from whom the child has expectations of inheritance and, given the fact that person and the parent are one and the same, it is more natural, in the English translation of that text, to simply refer to them as the "parent" without that implying that the term "auteur" means "parent".

13:02 Sep 3, 2014 

Yes, the official translation of "auteur" is a person who passes on rights or obligations - not necessarily a parent.

But it's an ambiguous one. I still think that when used specifically as "l'auteur d'une personne", it means that person's parent or progenitor.

See the ECHR translation of Mazurek c. France - auteur is systematically translated as parent.
http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/sites/fra/pages/search.aspx?i=001-...{"languageisocode":["FRA"],"appno":["34406/97"],"documentcollectionid2":["CHAMBER"],"itemid":["001-63112"]}

09:35 Sep 3, 2014 

Your ref. may have been protected against copy + paste, but not if you use Evernote! Here's a relevant quote from it:
"La succession en tant que mode de transmission de la propriété établit un lien entre 2 personnes : la personne dont les droits sont transmit, l'auteur, et la personne qui recueille les biens transmis, l'ayant cause. Les termes d'auteur et d'ayant cause sont en quelque sorte des termes génériques qui reçoivent une terminologie particulière dans la relation successorale. L'auteur c'est-à-dire le défunt, sera dénommé de manière usuel le de cujus, l'ayant cause c'est-à-dire le successeur sera qualifié suivant les cas d'héritier ou de légataire selon l'origine précise de la naissance de ses droits."

That seems to make it very clear that this does not define the relationship beyond the fact that the "auteur" is the person from whom the property is inherited.

08:06 Sep 3, 2014 

I don't think so; normally, if parents + grand-parents were meant, FR could use 'ascendants'; the specific use of 'auteur' seems to refer to 'the person who is the source of the inheritance', which in normal circumstances is possibly marginally more likely to be the direct parents. As ever, more context might well help to clarify the situation.

07:48 Sep 3, 2014 

Hello Tim

I admit that I'm not spending too much time on this and appreciate your remarks. The idea is to help get the right translation together
In the French reference I supplied however, 'auteur' could also refer to grandparents so maybe "(grand)parents" would be ok?

Regards

07:41 Sep 3, 2014 

The only thing that can have an "auteur" in this sentence" are "les personnes".

I don't think that either "auteur des biens immobiliers" (assuming that the ST mistakenly puts "bien immobilier" in the singular) or "auteur d'une succession" would be correct French usage. One can be 'auteur d'un legs' but not 'auteur d'une succession'.

For me, the only option, without seeing the rest of the ST, is "parent".

This document: http://www.cours-de-droit.net/cours-de-droit-des-successions...
which is protected against copy/paste, gives loads of examples (39 occurences of the word "auteur" in its different forms) and confirms its meaning, in this context, of "parent" (Tony M is right, the French word "parent" means 'relative' so cannot be used to refer unambiguously to the mother or father).

06:51 Sep 3, 2014 

Hello

I did wonder about suewiddicombe's idea myself and I think s/he is right. It could then be read as 'author of the will'

06:48 Sep 3, 2014 

Phil, I think this is the logical meaning: the deceased from whom they have inherited the property - not necessarily parents. Thanks a lot - 10 points!

19:13 Sep 2, 2014 

"Leur" must refer to "les personnes", which is the only plural noun. Does it simply mean "which they have inherited", do you think? One definition of "auteur" is "personne de qui une autre (l'ayant cause) tient un droit ou une obligation."