valeur d'emergence

08:30 Jul 28, 2014 

This is nothing to do with "translating mot-à-mot" — it is simply a question of using a meaningful term in EN to translate a meaningful term (the SAME one!) in FR.

Whether or not a footnote is necessary or desirable is clearly a question for Asker to decide, no doubt based in part on the expected level of technical knowledge of the intended readership of this document.

07:53 Jul 28, 2014 

If you believe in translating mot-à-mot, the proper definition of this (apparently) French notion has to be added in a footnoot

émergence : la différence entre les niveaux de pression continus équivalents pondérés A du bruit ambiant (établissement en fonctionnement) et du bruit résiduel (en l'absence du bruit généré par l'établissement) ; dans le cas d'un établissement faisant l'objet d'une modification autorisée, le bruit résiduel exclut le bruit généré par l'ensemble de l'établissement modifié ;

(from http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do?cidTexte=LEGITE...

07:28 Jul 28, 2014 

The issue of value or level is irrelevant; I believe in sticking close to the FR original and using 'value' unless there is a reason to depart from it, but others believe that 'level' is better — I do not think this is a key issue in this particular question.

The reference I cite is an EN decription of a purely FR concept — as you will read if you look at the previous KudoZ reference I also cited. It is an official FR Govenment document, which appears to have been well translated, and there is no reason to question its authority.

However, my key argument with you is simply that, while the term you suggest is of course a perfectly valid term in EN, it is NOT in any way, shape, or form a translation of the source term — they are two entirely different concepts.

22:19 Jul 27, 2014 

You read levels even if I say value. I now what a valeur d'émergence is in Franch, but I am not sure how you would call them in English. What you quote is just a French translation.

22:14 Jul 27, 2014 

I'm sorry, but they DO! I am an experienced acoustics engineer, so I know what I'm talking about, and if these were merely emission levels, they would be insignificant — whereas in fact, as emergence values, they represent a pretty stringent specification.

It's easy to find references to support this or that suggestion; but none of your references so far have any direct link to any translation of the very specific topic here, which is detailed in the source-reference I have mentioned below. What you are doing here is seeking to compare apples and oranges.

21:56 Jul 27, 2014 

The figures quoted do not say that much; the mean A-weighted sound power level, LWA,m has values of the same order of magnitude.

http://ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST/Ecm...

http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecm...

18:54 Jul 27, 2014 

'emergence' means the extent to which the noise emission STANDS OUT from the background noise level; this is made clear by the figures quoted, which would be completely wrong if these were actual emission levels!