esprit station

15:42 Feb 18, 2014 

Je traduis de l'anglais vers le français et je ne joue pas à faire l'inverse.
Donc, je ne me permettrais pas de faire une suggestion de traduction.
Autant patrickfor que moi avons cherché à faire comprendre le sens qui ne semble pas "obvious" du tout en anglais.
Deux réponses depuis le début et pas une de plus.
Et vous voulez changer la question en non-pro ...

15:24 Feb 18, 2014 

Have you an actual suggestion?

15:08 Feb 18, 2014 

et seul Mark en est responsable.
Les francophones ont fait leur possible pour l'aider.
Ce serait une très grande méprise de penser que c'est un slogan en français.
Mais si le commanditaire souhaite un slogan, c'est à lui de le dire.
Ce qui pourrait donner une idée à l'éditeur de la brochure et la rééditer en français.

15:05 Feb 18, 2014 

not a native so you guys should know better than I do... My fist idea idea here was "state of mind" as I remembered the famous song "NY state of mind" from Billy Joel... ok it was his state of mind, but because of NY, so I thought it was relevant

14:36 Feb 18, 2014 

As an English speaker, I stand by my suggestion which I would say is far preferable in the context to "state of mind" which is taken from a translated site. I agree with A Trans - too much hot air and little substance. And as I have said, a slogan is called for here.

14:32 Feb 18, 2014 

All that is needed is a slogan bumping up the resorts and indicating that there is something special about them. This is not an academic report.

14:11 Feb 18, 2014 

Tout le problème est là.
En soi, une station ou un domaine ne peut pas avoir un état d'esprit, dans le sens de "penser" mais il a un état d'esprit dans le sens de ce qu'il le réflète.
Il projette une image qui sera recherchée et exploitée / préservée / développée / entretenue / maintenue etc.
Ce qui fera leur attraction et leur réputation.

14:10 Feb 18, 2014 

and look up "spirit"
plenty of ideas

13:58 Feb 18, 2014 

That is someone's attempt but it really doesn't play at all in English. One can find anything on the www, from the sublime to the ridiculous.

13:54 Feb 18, 2014 

See your suggestion : "The allure of the slopes"
Reminds me "Lost in translation".
La discussion n'avait rien d'inutile ni de pontifiant ; elle aura aidé Mark à saisir le sens d'esprit dans le contexte.
Un esprit qui peut être recherché par les touristes tout comme il peut être entretenu, maintenu par les habitants et les exploitants.
Encore vague en français, donc vague en anglais pour qualifier l'esprit de la station ou du domaine.
L'esprit de la sation c'est un état d'esprit comme le reprend le site de Val-Thorens.
http://www.valthorens.com/hiver-fr/val-thorens/station-et-in...
En anglais : a state of mind http://www.valthorens.com/winter-en/val-thorens/resort-and-u...

12:08 Feb 18, 2014 

???????????? You've lost me.......

10:49 Feb 18, 2014 

"Au cœur de ses stations à taille humaine, profitez d’une nature préservée, de paysages inattendus et d’un panel d’activités pour tout public."
Oublié ?

10:41 Feb 18, 2014 

Lots of pontificating, but the asker is no nearer getting an answer. I alone suggested one, but that went down like a lead balloon. This discussion has led nowhere IMHO.

10:23 Feb 18, 2014 

Cela concerne un domaine et qui a un certain état d'esprit mais qui pour le moment n'est pas encore défini en français.
Donc aucune raison d'en faire plus en anglais.
Le tout étant de savoir comment traduire au mieux "esprit".

10:23 Feb 18, 2014 

Right. It all makes sense now. I'm very grateful to you all. You've been very helpful.

10:16 Feb 18, 2014 

@asker Yes! They are claiming a state of mind, then they describe it.... just like "esprit couture", "esprit Angleterre", whatever....

10:15 Feb 18, 2014 

And esprit proves it. They are trying to let people know what sort of ambiance/atmosphere/attitude/feeling etc etc they will discover or that the resort provides/creates

10:12 Feb 18, 2014 

Are you saying that, like "Plat du jour", they're trying to say something that means "what you can expect of the atmosphere at the resort?"

10:07 Feb 18, 2014 

Il n'y a aucun marketing dans le titre en français : c'est ce qui suit qui l'est.
convivial ? overtranslating !
IMHO

10:04 Feb 18, 2014 

thanks... On top of that remember they are talking about more than one resort ("Au cœur de ses stations")... "esprit station" is for them...
that's what I tried to suggest with "one of kind resorts"...
@asker the thing is not about qualifying the "esprit" it's about translating "esprit station", not describing it! (like a translation of "plat du jour" is not going to tell you what you will be eating, but that it's the "dish of the day"...

09:55 Feb 18, 2014 

This discussion leads me to the word "convivial" to describe the resorts. Am I getting warm?

09:55 Feb 18, 2014 

It's not quite that clear cut or simple. It's marketing/copywriting and the difficulty isn't understanding the French (what it means is perfectly clear) but the trick is getting it into good marketing English. Knowing the resort and its esprit is helpful. Every resort has its own atmosphere/ambiance.

09:48 Feb 18, 2014 

Tout à fait : ce qui suit le titre en décrira l'esprit ...
Il ne s'agit pas de trouver un slogan.
1 : les espaces et les activités
2 : l'esprit de la station

09:42 Feb 18, 2014 

You are of course right, it is abundantly clear that this is to a large extent a copywriting job. However, I agree with Beila that knowing what the resort is like doesn't help much in this particular case, where it seems to me that what's needed is a phrase as deliberately vague as the original.

09:26 Feb 18, 2014 

Entièrement d'accord avec patrickfor : in this context "esprit" is" state of mind" "spirit" "ethos"
Philosophy of the resort.. their special own way to deal with things, people...

Et peu importe que la station soit dans les Alpes, les Alpes Maritimes, le Jura, les Pyrénées ou même les Dolomites (Cortina d'Ampezzo = esprit jet-set).
Les stations pour de démarquer les unes des autres cultivent un esprit : familial, sportif, glisse, élégant (Megève), convivial, village, etc.
L'esprit de la station fidélise aussi la clientèle ou la clientèle recherche ce type d'esprit.
Il n'y a qu'à googler "esprit station" ou "esprit station + montagne" pour le comprendre ... Mais ce sera toujours "l'esprit de la station".
En cherchant des stations mondialement connues, leur site doit être traduit en anglais et en comparant le français avec l'anglais, vous trouverez la réponse.

07:49 Feb 18, 2014 

Well... "esprit station" is like "plat du jour": once translated you still don't know what you are going to eat :-)

07:07 Feb 18, 2014 

Skiing/winter sports in the French Jura region isn't the same as skiing in the Alps. Asker should look up the various resorts (there are far fewer than in the Alps) to see what they are like.
This sort of text needs marketing/copywriting skills as much as simple translation. Like legal, tourism texts aren't the walk in the park many people seem to think they are. And if one doesn't know the actual areas/resorts etc. involved, it gets a bit more difficult.

22:37 Feb 17, 2014 

@jennifer
An explanation, or more than one, can help a native to figure out what the best translation could be... That's the reason behind my posts here. If I had to translate I would suggest something like 'one of a kind resort' bacause at the end of the day that is what "esprit station" reflects.
It's not about anything specific it's about being pulling together in the same direction for the good of the resort, tourists, and people living there... and doing it in their own way.

22:12 Feb 17, 2014 

Patrick - that's all very well, but what you need here is not an explanation but a slogan. So what do you suggest?

19:45 Feb 17, 2014 

@phil Not sure 'type of resort" is carrying the idea they want to advertise. What you are saying is not wrong but they want to put the emphasis on "it's the people who make this happen, it's how they are that makes these resorts special, it's their spirit"

19:39 Feb 17, 2014 

@Jennifer
... Not really I think it has to do with "pratique familiale du ski" (relaxed skying for families = everybody can sky their way), "ses stations à taille humaine" (small resorts not packed with people), " paysages inattendus" (surprising scenery), "panel d’activités pour tout public" (all sorts of entertainment fot virtually anyone"
That's what they call "esprit station"

19:38 Feb 17, 2014 

I don't really understand the headings. Why are there two of them? Why does the second begin: "2 bis"?
"Esprit station" sounds like it means "Type of resort" - in this case scenic, suitable for families.

19:18 Feb 17, 2014 

How would you translate it then? As I see it, 2 types of skiing are described here. So I'd go for something like "The allure of the slopes"

19:01 Feb 17, 2014 

in this context "esprit" is" state of mind" "spirit" "ethos"
Philosophy of the resort.. their special own way to deal with things, people...