se révéler vis-à-vis du groupe

English translation: realize their potential within a group

09:12 May 16, 2013
French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Education / Pedagogy
French term or phrase: se révéler vis-à-vis du groupe
Hello

From a summary of benefits gained by students taking part in a school photography workshop - other benefits include discovering a skill or an aptitude, developing a sense of self-worth, improving language skills, and this term:

"Les ateliers sont l'occasion de se découvrir une aptitude, de se valoriser au sein d'un projet collectif, de se révéler vis-à-vis du groupe, d'affirmer son point de vue....."

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Sandra Petch
Local time: 08:30
English translation:realize their potential within a group
Explanation:
I keep thinking of the psych. term self-actualization here...
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Nicholas Andrew Courtney
United States
Local time: 02:30
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1show how they work in a group
B D Finch
4 +1show the group what they are made of
Jane F
3 +2realize their potential within a group
Nicholas Andrew Courtney
4to catch the group" eyes
papier
4to blossom/show one's true talent within the group
MatthewLaSon
4 -1prove yourself vis-à-vis the group
Yvonne Gallagher
3 -1so the group gets to know each other
Josephine Cassar
Summary of reference entries provided
Definition of "se réléver"
MatthewLaSon

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49 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
show how they work in a group


Explanation:
It's more natural here to use the indefinite article in English.

tribes.com › Blog Posts‎
" ... It is not just assessment – but how they work in a group, how they think, and ... "

www.chicagometroaeyc.org/files/pdfs/OM12/brawner.pdf
"Evaluation: Assessment of how the students as to how they work in a group, implemented the task of selecting a neighborhood and their use of a compass rose."





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www.educationscotland.gov.uk/.../AberdeenWaldorfSchooFup201...
"– observations of each child's individual learning and how they work in a group setting. Individual ... assessment has also now been extended."

B D Finch
France
Local time: 08:30
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Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 121

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  John Holland: I think this sounds the most natural
1 hr
  -> Thanks John
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
show the group what they are made of


Explanation:
I think this is the idea

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or 'show the group what you are made of'

Jane F
France
Local time: 08:30
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 20

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Simon Mac: Yes, I think this is very close to the meaning - show the group what they are made of, what they can do, what they are capable of
4 hrs
  -> thanks Simon
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
prove yourself vis-à-vis the group


Explanation:
vis-à-vis =in relation to or "within the group"

I think the "se révéler" is more about the kid gaining a sense of self worth within the group dynamic, knowing they are competent and can fit into the group and play their part in the project. So yes, it's about interaction, but also about proving onesel to oneself

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oneselF

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yes, it is tricky distinguishing between them. "se valoriser" for me is proving their competence, showing they can work within a group and hold their head high so to speak, i.e. "validate themself/gain self-esteem because of their role ", whereas "se révéler" I think is more about what they are revealing to themselves about their competence or perhaps skills they didn't know they had...

Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
Local time: 07:30
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 112
Notes to answerer
Asker: That, for me, is where the difficulty lies, in making the distinction between "se valoriser" within the group and "se révéler" within the group. I still can't pinpoint it.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Josephine Cassar: as before, there is se valoriser au sein d'un projet collectif- that means what you suggested
2 hrs
  -> You haven't understood my suggestion at all...
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
realize their potential within a group


Explanation:
I keep thinking of the psych. term self-actualization here...

Nicholas Andrew Courtney
United States
Local time: 02:30
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 6
Grading comment
Thank you

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  philgoddard
10 hrs
  -> Thanks, Phil.

agree  GILLES MEUNIER
17 hrs
  -> Thank you, Gilou.
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
so the group gets to know each other


Explanation:
it is also one of the aims of groupwork, mixing with others, the ones you would not have normally got in touch with, and who will begin to see you in different light, maybe

Josephine Cassar
Malta
Local time: 08:30
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in MalteseMaltese
PRO pts in category: 6

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Yvonne Gallagher: it doesn't say this at all, "se révéler " is not "each other" here
52 mins
  -> by opening up, that is the sense and what is achieved
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10 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
to catch the group" eyes


Explanation:
A suggestion

papier
Brazil
Local time: 03:30
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Native speaker of: Native in PortuguesePortuguese
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18 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
to blossom/show one's true talent within the group


Explanation:
Hello,

My try...

You need a more "happy" word in English like "blossom", etc. . You just have to play around with it until all signs of it being a translation from French vanishes. LOL.

that remains is that basically 90 percent of the athletes didn't blossom until this year and very few took part ... Four star talent but not a strong surrounding cast.

that remains is that basically 90 percent of the athletes didn't blossom until this year and very few took part ... Four star talent but not a strong surrounding cast.


I hope this helps.

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http://nevadaprepreport.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?mid=161508097...

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I hope this helps.

MatthewLaSon
Local time: 02:30
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 85
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Reference comments


18 hrs
Reference: Definition of "se réléver"

Reference information:
Hello,

This verb indeed has to do with someone showing one's talent, or "blossoming".

I don't think it's about proving anything to the group, but rather that the group helps the person to bring out their best qualities o or assets.

♦ ARTS, SPECTACLES, SPORTS. Se faire connaître; faire reconnaître, manifester son talent, sa valeur. Se révélant à vingt-sept ans, il [Tilden] tint la gageure de perdre un seul match en six ans, de 1920 à 1926 (Jeux et sports, 1967, p. 1383).

http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/reveler

By the way,

se valoriser = to stand out (similar, though, to "se réléver")


I hope this helps.

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Sorry, I misspelled "se révéler" in the reference box!!!

MatthewLaSon
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 85
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