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des personnels non affectés en academie

English translation: staff not appointed to a particular education authority

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French term or phrase:des personnels non affectés en academie
English translation:staff not appointed to a particular education authority
Entered by: Catherine Gilsenan

14:57 Mar 4, 2013
French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Education / Pedagogy / Nomination des laureats
French term or phrase: des personnels non affectés en academie
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Ministère de l’education Nationale, Direction des personnels enseignants du second degree, des personnels d’éducation et d’orientation et des personnels non affectés en academie
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Catherine Gilsenan
United Kingdom
Local time: 08:57
staff not appointed to a particular education authority
Explanation:
An "académie" is a regional educational authority - there are 26 of them
See here: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Académie_(éducation) The explanation is fine.
When you are given a post in the French Ministry of Education, your are usually appointed to one or other of these Académies, and then to a particular school or educational establishment.


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Note added at 33 mins (2013-03-04 15:31:10 GMT)
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The "staff that are not appointed to a particular authority" can refer to, for example, those who have asked for leave of absence for personal reasons, in order to study for an exam, or who have been "lent" to another ministry for a specific mission.

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Note added at 37 mins (2013-03-04 15:34:28 GMT)
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When you go and work for another administration this is called "détachement" and here is a page that explains it.
http://www.education.gouv.fr/pid59/systeme-information-aide-...

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Note added at 47 mins (2013-03-04 15:44:26 GMT)
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I am assuming that you know that in France a teacher who has passed the relevant exams is a civil servant, so if he/she wants to go off and do something else for a while, this is possible under certain conditions. You lose your post (hence you are not appointed to a particular authority) but you keep your status as civil servant, and when you wish to return to your original post you have to apply for it .... and if you are lucky you'll get it back. If not, then you go to the school they send you to!

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Note added at 2 hrs (2013-03-04 17:10:09 GMT)
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In answer to Francis' remark about my answer concerning only teaching staff... I realise that I have concentrated on that. So a little clarification. Staff in the Education Nationale may be teachers, but also administrative staff (secretaries, bursars, heads and deputy heads, the "personnel d'orientation et d'éducation" - careers and supervisory staff), plus maintenance/cleaning/canteen workers (ATOS). If they have their post as "titulaire" - ie they are civil servants, they are subject to the same conditions as I describe for teachers.
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katsy
Local time: 09:57
Grading comment
Thank you.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
5 +6staff not appointed to a particular education authority
katsy
4non-academic staff
Francis Marche
2 -1adjunct personnel
MatthewLaSon


Discussion entries: 4





  

Answers


17 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
non-academic staff


Explanation:
or what else ?

Francis Marche
France
Local time: 09:57
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench, Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Sheila Wilson: Depending on the context, this is normally "non-xxx" (e.g. non-military) or simply "support"
17 mins
neutral  katsy: Sorry, non academic staff is "personnels non-enseignants" or "personnel administratif"
20 mins
agree  Verginia Ophof
33 mins
neutral  philgoddard: This was my immediate assumption, so I'm not going to disagree with it, but it's wrong.
57 mins
disagree  Emma Paulay: See katsy's answer for the what else.
1 hr
  -> I disagree with your disagree: according to Katsy, these are teaching staff, according to the text they are not ("personnel d'éducation" are in the list, distinct from these)
disagree  John Holland: Katsy does have the right term. In France, academic and non-academic staff can get permission to work outside of the education system for a period of time during which they remain civil servants and under the authority of this Minister.
2 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5 peer agreement (net): -1
adjunct personnel


Explanation:
Hello,

I think it means that are not full-time faculty members with tenure.
But I am far from sure.

non-affectés = not posted in a full-time position in academics


I hope this helps.

MatthewLaSon
Local time: 03:57
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 85

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Emma Paulay: There's no "I think" here. It's one of those (fairly rare) questions where you either know or you don't.//Of course you can hazard a guess. Sometimes it works. This time it doesn't.
48 mins
  -> I don't understand your comment. Besides, I was only a 2 confidence. So you're not allowed to guess? LOL. Have a nice evening.
disagree  John Holland: Adjunct faculty and others who are not members of the civil service are called "non titulaires de l'Education nationale" See: https://duckduckgo.com/?q="non titulaires de l'Education nat...
1 hr
  -> Thanks for the disagree. I was far from sure. I didn't do the research.
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28 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +6
staff not appointed to a particular education authority


Explanation:
An "académie" is a regional educational authority - there are 26 of them
See here: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Académie_(éducation) The explanation is fine.
When you are given a post in the French Ministry of Education, your are usually appointed to one or other of these Académies, and then to a particular school or educational establishment.


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Note added at 33 mins (2013-03-04 15:31:10 GMT)
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The "staff that are not appointed to a particular authority" can refer to, for example, those who have asked for leave of absence for personal reasons, in order to study for an exam, or who have been "lent" to another ministry for a specific mission.

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Note added at 37 mins (2013-03-04 15:34:28 GMT)
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When you go and work for another administration this is called "détachement" and here is a page that explains it.
http://www.education.gouv.fr/pid59/systeme-information-aide-...

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Note added at 47 mins (2013-03-04 15:44:26 GMT)
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I am assuming that you know that in France a teacher who has passed the relevant exams is a civil servant, so if he/she wants to go off and do something else for a while, this is possible under certain conditions. You lose your post (hence you are not appointed to a particular authority) but you keep your status as civil servant, and when you wish to return to your original post you have to apply for it .... and if you are lucky you'll get it back. If not, then you go to the school they send you to!

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Note added at 2 hrs (2013-03-04 17:10:09 GMT)
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In answer to Francis' remark about my answer concerning only teaching staff... I realise that I have concentrated on that. So a little clarification. Staff in the Education Nationale may be teachers, but also administrative staff (secretaries, bursars, heads and deputy heads, the "personnel d'orientation et d'éducation" - careers and supervisory staff), plus maintenance/cleaning/canteen workers (ATOS). If they have their post as "titulaire" - ie they are civil servants, they are subject to the same conditions as I describe for teachers.

katsy
Local time: 09:57
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 127
Grading comment
Thank you.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  writeaway: agree it's vital to know/understand the Fr system to work with this sort of doc
38 mins
  -> Thanks writeaway:-)
agree  philgoddard: http://www.education.gouv.fr/cid4315/vous-etes-affecte-acade...
45 mins
  -> thanks Phil :-)
agree  Yvonne Gallagher
1 hr
  -> Thanks gallagy2 :-)
agree  Emma Paulay
1 hr
  -> Thanks Emma :-)
neutral  Francis Marche: if they are part of the academic staff, why are "personnel d'éducation" itemized in the list and why are these not referred to as "non affectés PAR l'académie" ?
1 hr
  -> I realise I concentrated on teaching staff. I have added a note which I hope will clarify.
agree  John Holland: I'm sure that this is the correct option. It concerns people who, whatever position they may have within the eductaional system, are now working somewhere else, with permission.
1 hr
  -> Thanks John :-) and thanks for the very succinct formulation of what I was trying to say!
agree  Bertrand Leduc
3 hrs
  -> Thanks Bertrand :-)
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