mano negra

English translation: dark forces

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Spanish term or phrase:mano negra
English translation:dark forces
Entered by: Theodoros Karyotis

19:36 Jan 30, 2013
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Government / Politics / social movements
Spanish term or phrase: mano negra
"Por contrario, el presidente Morales continúa negando haber dado la orden para la intervención y dice que “hay una mano negra” tras los hechos y que quiere que se investiguen. El martes acusó a algunos policías, a los que no nombró, de haber filmado la violencia para “calumniar” a su gobierno."

Obviamente mano negra significa "interes oculto" o "intervención de algun infiltrado", pero estoy buscando una manera natural de expresarlo en ingles.
Theodoros Karyotis
Greece
Local time: 05:14
dark forces
Explanation:
This is commonly used in this context, especially when referring to a conspiracy.

The Global Observer: October 2010 panamaconnections.blogspot.com/2010_10_01_...En caché - Traducir esta página
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24/10/2010 – This governmental "war on drugs" has become a "class war" and ... dark forces behind the scenes that are quite happy having the war as it is.
Homosexual Agenda www.overlordsofchaos.com/.../gay_agenda.htmlEn caché - Similares - Traducir esta página
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The Dark Forces behind the Homosexual Agenda are very powerful indeed. ... the activists and proselytisers of homosexuality in the war with normality was the ..... real pathological behaviours, i.e. drug addicts that steal to satiate their craving .
cannabisnews.com: Pot Helps in Fighting Alzheimer's, Study Says cannabisnews.com/news/thread22255.shtmlEn caché - Traducir esta página
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I feel the "drug war" really began in earnest with him and the dark forces behind him. If Reagan had smoked pot, imagine how different the world would be today!
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An expose of the dark forces behind wars and revolutions. Price £5.50 ..... Most of the population is either on street or medically prescribed drugs - the dire ...
Operation False Flag: A Modern Primer Alex Jones' Infowars ... www.infowars.com/operation-false-flag-a-moder...En caché - Traducir esta página
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29/08/2011 – As practically the only anti-war candidate, Ron Paul recently pointed out ..... Event: Direct selling of weapons by US Government to Mexican drug cartels. ... group of discontents or the systemic dark forces behind deep events, ...
2011 World Predictions PT2 www.levi-tarot.co.uk/2011-world_predictions_P...En caché - Traducir esta página
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To stir up more trouble and sucker their protector into a war they crave for. ... and also to keep control of the drug trade now operated by the CIA and other government ... the dark forces behind the US government will start a war with Pakistan.
Julien Lahaut Assassination: Belgium Communist Leader's Murder ... www.huffingtonpost.com/.../julien-lahaut-assassi...En caché - Traducir esta página
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27/10/2012 – And why? It's a murder mystery swallowed up in the fog of Cold War politics. ... `' We have to know whether there were dark forces behind this .


Selected response from:

Edward Tully
Local time: 04:14
Grading comment
Thanks everyone, you offer lots of great options, I think "dark forces at work" is the one that sounds more natural in English while remaining faithful to the tone of the original.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +7dark forces
Edward Tully
3 +2dark shadow, hidden hand
Darius Saczuk
4 +1dirty work / dirty tricks / skullduggery
Charles Davis
4dark hand
AllegroTrans
4deceit/wile/scheme/hidden agenda
Mónica Sauza
3something fishy
Christine Walsh
3invisible hand
liz askew


  

Answers


5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
dark hand


Explanation:
Mexicans Are Queasy Over U.S. Election Suspense
"There's a dark hand behind what's happening," said Salvador Canedo Romero, an Internet entrepreneur in this small central Mexican town. "How is it that the most powerful ...
www.laprensa-sandiego.org/archieve/november17/queasy.htm - Cached
The cathedral of Cap-Haitien desecrated - "Haiti news ...
"There's a dark hand behind the desecration of the cathedral," he said, without the economy of a call for a judicial inquiry "to determine what actually happened."
www.ayitinou.com/article-posts/29-haitian-articles/3435... - Cached
Mr. President: Stop Appeasing Islam! : Personal Liberty Digest™
Sir, believe it or not there is a ‘dark hand’ behind many of the problems we’re experiencing: and if both Americans and the planet do not wake up very soon, we’re ...
personalliberty.com/2012/01/11/mr-president-stop... - Cached
The Ice is Thin and the Fix is In. Reflections in a Petri Dish
I know Hakim is straight and while I do agree there is a dark hand behind many of these games, I don't think it is the players throwing the games.
www.zippittydodah.com/2012/02/ice-is-thin-and-fix-is-in.htm... - Cached

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New Baja governor Osuna calls for 'everyone's commitment ...
... cause of the late opening of the polling stations: “I don't think there's a dark hand ... Salvador Morales, president of the PAN in Baja California, said undecided voters ...
www.utsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070807/news_1n7baja.html - Cached

AllegroTrans
United Kingdom
Local time: 03:14
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 123

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  patinba
1 hr
  -> thanks

neutral  Muriel Vasconcellos: All your references are from Spanish-speaking sources.
2 hrs
  -> yes, but the term is valid and current English

disagree  Simon Bruni: Sorry but I've never heard this and can't find any examples of normal usage
12 hrs
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6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
dark shadow, hidden hand


Explanation:
two options

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Note added at 12 mins (2013-01-30 19:49:13 GMT)
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The Hidden Hand: Middle East Fears of Conspiracy
Foreign Affairs
www.foreignaffairs.com
But Pipes is convinced that the propensity to see a hidden hand behind much of political reality is a distinctive feature of the Middle East.

Bargaining with the Devil: When to Negotiate, When to Fight - Page 130 -
Robert Mnookin - 2010 - Business & Economics
Mandela became increasingly convinced that there was a “hidden hand behind the violence . . . a mysterious 'Third Force,' which consisted of renegade men

Death in a Prairie House: Frank Lloyd Wright and the Taliesin Murders - Page 136 - Google Books Resultbooks.google.com/books?isbn=0299222144
William R. Drennan - 2008 - Architecture
No doubt many townsfolk harbored the notion that Wright, the local renegade, was either a hidden hand behind the massacre or had at least prompted it

Darius Saczuk
United States
Local time: 22:14
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in PolishPolish, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 28

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Christine Walsh: I like 'a hidden hand' too.
14 mins
  -> Thank you, Christine. :-)

agree  Alan Furth (X): Hidden hand was the first term I thought of, even if "dark forces" would probably also be a good option
20 hrs
  -> Thank you, Alan. :-)
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4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
something fishy


Explanation:
If something informal and idiomatic will do...

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Note added at 19 mins (2013-01-30 19:55:51 GMT)
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To keep the 'hand' image, it could be 'something underhand'.

Christine Walsh
Local time: 23:14
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 36
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21 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
dirty work / dirty tricks / skullduggery


Explanation:
I think one of these would strike the right tone. I wouldn't really recommend the third here, actually; it's the right meaning but probably the wrong register. I just put it in because I like the word. (It can also be spelt "skulduggery").

Charles Davis
Spain
Local time: 04:14
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 276

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jessica Noyes
7 hrs
  -> Thank you, Jessica :)
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28 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
invisible hand


Explanation:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=UwVYtrmBIEYC&pg=PT626&lpg...
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/12/30/bolivia.mor...
Twitter Trackbacks for The Invisible Hand Behind Wall Street ...
topsy.com/.../the-invisible-hand-behind-wall-street-bonuses.html?...
Jan 17, 2012 – italorulli Italo Rulli Influential @roberto_saa La mano negra tras los altos bonos en Wall Street The Invisible Hand Behind Wall Street Bonuses ...



liz askew
United Kingdom
Local time: 03:14
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 167
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +7
dark forces


Explanation:
This is commonly used in this context, especially when referring to a conspiracy.

The Global Observer: October 2010 panamaconnections.blogspot.com/2010_10_01_...En caché - Traducir esta página
Has publicado que a ti también te gusta esto. Deshacer
24/10/2010 – This governmental "war on drugs" has become a "class war" and ... dark forces behind the scenes that are quite happy having the war as it is.
Homosexual Agenda www.overlordsofchaos.com/.../gay_agenda.htmlEn caché - Similares - Traducir esta página
Has publicado que a ti también te gusta esto. Deshacer
The Dark Forces behind the Homosexual Agenda are very powerful indeed. ... the activists and proselytisers of homosexuality in the war with normality was the ..... real pathological behaviours, i.e. drug addicts that steal to satiate their craving .
cannabisnews.com: Pot Helps in Fighting Alzheimer's, Study Says cannabisnews.com/news/thread22255.shtmlEn caché - Traducir esta página
Has publicado que a ti también te gusta esto. Deshacer
I feel the "drug war" really began in earnest with him and the dark forces behind him. If Reagan had smoked pot, imagine how different the world would be today!
[PDF]
The Identity Mission Book List newensignarchive.christogenea.org/.../Book_List... - Traducir esta página
Has publicado que a ti también te gusta esto. Deshacer
Formato de archivo: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Vista rápida
An expose of the dark forces behind wars and revolutions. Price £5.50 ..... Most of the population is either on street or medically prescribed drugs - the dire ...
Operation False Flag: A Modern Primer Alex Jones' Infowars ... www.infowars.com/operation-false-flag-a-moder...En caché - Traducir esta página
Has publicado que a ti también te gusta esto. Deshacer
29/08/2011 – As practically the only anti-war candidate, Ron Paul recently pointed out ..... Event: Direct selling of weapons by US Government to Mexican drug cartels. ... group of discontents or the systemic dark forces behind deep events, ...
2011 World Predictions PT2 www.levi-tarot.co.uk/2011-world_predictions_P...En caché - Traducir esta página
Has publicado que a ti también te gusta esto. Deshacer
To stir up more trouble and sucker their protector into a war they crave for. ... and also to keep control of the drug trade now operated by the CIA and other government ... the dark forces behind the US government will start a war with Pakistan.
Julien Lahaut Assassination: Belgium Communist Leader's Murder ... www.huffingtonpost.com/.../julien-lahaut-assassi...En caché - Traducir esta página
Has publicado que a ti también te gusta esto. Deshacer
27/10/2012 – And why? It's a murder mystery swallowed up in the fog of Cold War politics. ... `' We have to know whether there were dark forces behind this .




Edward Tully
Local time: 04:14
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 292
Grading comment
Thanks everyone, you offer lots of great options, I think "dark forces at work" is the one that sounds more natural in English while remaining faithful to the tone of the original.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Carol Gullidge: don't know for sure, but this sounds most feasible to me
58 mins
  -> many thanks Carol! ;-)

agree  Muriel Vasconcellos
1 hr
  -> many thanks Muriel! ;-)

agree  Christine Walsh: Another good one :)
4 hrs
  -> many thanks Christine! ;-)

agree  Simon Bruni: Probably, yes, "there are dark forces behind it"
12 hrs
  -> many thanks Simon! ;-)

agree  Katherine Capaldi
12 hrs
  -> many thanks! ;-)

agree  neilmac: I like this, it has that "something of the night". And "dark forces at work" gets 39,600,000 google hits.
21 hrs
  -> many thanks Neil! ;-)

agree  Richard Hill: I hadn't realized. Cheers for that. See what happens after half time :) Don't suppose it can be seen online?
23 hrs
  -> many thanks Rich! The foxes are playing the wolves as I type! Sorry, didn't see your post in time, but for the future you can try "atdhe" (the full address varies depending on the country) and enjoy! ;-)
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1 day 23 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
deceit/wile/scheme/hidden agenda


Explanation:
Alternatives... ;o)


Mónica Sauza
Local time: 20:14
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Spanish
PRO pts in category: 27
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