Industrial relations vs Employee relations

French translation: voir explication

13:54 Dec 26, 2012

English to French translations [PRO]
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English term or phrase: Industrial relations vs Employee relations

Hi everyone,

In a context of Human Resources, I have to translate both the terms in the same title (IR and ER strategy).
There's no way I could translate them both with a generic "relations de travail", as the following section puts them into separate paragraphs.

After some research, here is what I found:
"Industrial relations are those between an employer and a collective workforce, almost exclusively held together by a recognised union, although this does not necessarily need to be the case.
Employee relations involves all matters involving the relationship between an employee or employees and the employer and is a far broarder term - which is why the phrase is most commonly used in HR departments.
So in short, employee relations could involve anything at all (absences, pay, disciplinaries), Industrial relations is specifically referring to unions."

So that's my try:
Industrial relations: Relations employeur-syndicat
Employee relations: Relations employeur-employé

What do you think? Is it acceptable?

Thanks in advance

Best,

QuatorzeVentose KudoZ activity Questions: 9 (none open) (1 closed without grading) Answers: 1 France
Local time: 08:37

French translation:voir explication

Explanation:
une suggestion
patronat (organisations patronales)-syndicats de salariés vs employeurs-délégués du personnel

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Note added at 1 heure (2012-12-26 15:01:23 GMT)
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http://www.juritravail.com/delegues-syndicaux
Might be employeurs-délégués syndicaux instead of "patronat-syndicats de salariés"

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Bernard Moret
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Local time: 08:37

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relations industrielles vs relations avec les salariés

B D Finch

4 +1

voir explication

Bernard Moret

relations avec les syndicats / avec les travailleurs

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peer agreement (net): +1

industrial relations vs employee relations

voir explication

Bernard Moret
France
Local time: 08:37
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French
PRO pts in category: 28

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks Bernard, I guess it's in the line, except if I understand correctly, "les organisations patronales" are not involved. It's all between the employer (the company, or the company Management) and...? I'll wait for other suggestions, but thanks a lot!

Asker: Cool ! Je garde. Merci (Very useful, thank you)

5 hrs confidence:

industrial relations vs employee relations relations avec les syndicats / avec les travailleurs

Explanation:
industrial : via trade unions
employee : individual worker versus boss in a company

FX Fraipont (X)
Belgium
Local time: 08:37
Native speaker of:

French
PRO pts in category: 465

7 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

industrial relations vs employee relations relations industrielles vs relations avec les salariés

Explanation:
I agree with the Wikipedia comment below about "mauvaise traduction" and, indeed the term "industrial relations" is not ideal in English either. However, it is the recognised term and the name of an academic discipline and everybody knows that it doesn't only cover industrial workplaces.

There is no hard and fast boundary between meaning of the two terms and it is certainly incorrect to state that all instances of industrial relations necessarily involve trade unions, even though they do overall. E.g. a non-unionised workplace (Walmart, which is fiercely anti-union) in the US is currently facing significant industrial relations problems from workers whose demands do not include union recognition. Industrial relations are also not necessarily limited to particular employers or workplaces.

Employee relations are included in industrial relations, but tend to be more limited in scope to a particular workplace or employer and are more (but not exclusively) focussed on individuals and personal relationships.

"Les relations industrielles, mauvaise traduction de l'expression anglaise industrial relations constituent en fait un domaine d'études bien plus large que l'industrie car centré sur le travail. Les fonctions propres au champ des relations industrielles sont: conseil, relations de travail, gestion des ressources humaines et recherche et planification."

Ces fonctions sont susceptibles d'être exercées tant à l'intérieur des syndicats ouvriers que patronaux, que dans les entreprises, privées ou publiques, de production de biens ou de services, ou encore au sein de divers organismes et services gouvernementaux responsables de l'élaboration et de l'administration des politiques publiques en matière de travail."
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_industrielles

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If a particular worker has a difficulty with a manager or vice versa, if it is addressed on a personal basis, even with the worker having a shop steward with them when meeting with management and even if that shop steward presents their case, it can still come under "employee relations". If that difficulty becomes generalised and a whole body of workers (whether or not represented by a trade union), and/or an employers' association takes it up as a matter of policy, it could be said to have become an "industrial relations" issue.

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Note added at 18 hrs (2012-12-27 08:48:00 GMT)
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Équivalent français suggéré à l'en-tête !

B D Finch
France
Local time: 08:37
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 19

Notes to answerer

Asker: I'm beginning to see the light! :o)) Thanks a lot for this exhaustive explanation. And what would you suggest as French equivalent?

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