prevailed with God

English translation: emerged victorious in his struggle with God

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English term or phrase:prevailed with God
Selected answer:emerged victorious in his struggle with God
Entered by: Charles Davis

08:23 Jul 3, 2012
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Art/Literary - Religion
English term or phrase: prevailed with God
See whence it is that the prayers of the saints are so powerful with God. Jacob, as an angel, ***prevailed with God***. Moses, prayer tied God’s hands. Precibus suis tanquam inquam vinculis ligatum tenuit Deum [By his prayers, I say, he held God bound as if by chains]; ‘Let me alone.’ Exod 32:20. Whence is this? It is Christ’s prayer in heaven that makes the saints’ prayers so available. Christ’s divine nature is the altar on which he offers up our prayers, and so they prevail.
Ana Juliá
Spain
Local time: 03:15
emerged victorious in his struggle with God
Explanation:
This clearly refers to the episode recounted in Genesis 32 and Hosea 12 in which a being, generally identified as an angel, appeared to Jacob, and they wrestled each other all night. Jacob successfully resisted the angel, who failed to overpower him. Jacob then becomes known as Israel, meaning (according to the literal interpretation) "one who prevails with God" in the sense of "one who fights victoriously with God". The exact interpretation depends on whether the angel is identified with God Himself, but Watson seems to hold this view: "God [...] as an angel".

This is very well explained in the Wikipedia page:

"There, a mysterious being appeared ("man", Genesis 32:24, 28; or "God", Genesis 32:28, 30, Hosea 12:3, 5; or "angel", Hosea 12:4), and the two wrestled until daybreak. When the being saw that he did not overpower Jacob, he touched Jacob on the sinew of his thigh (the gid hanasheh, גיד הנשה), and as a result, Jacob developed a limp (Genesis 32:31). Because of this, "to this day the people of Israel do not eat the sinew of the thigh that is on the hip socket" (Genesis 32:32). This incident is the source of the mitzvah of porging.
Jacob then demanded a blessing, and the being declared that from then on, Jacob would be called יִשְׂרָאֵל, Israel (Yisra`el, meaning "one that struggled with the divine angel" (Josephus), "one who has prevailed with God" (Rashi), "a man seeing God" (Whiston), "he will rule as God" (Strong), or "a prince with God" (Morris), from Hebrew: שרה‎, "prevail", "have power as a prince"). Jacob asked the being's name, but he refused to answer. Afterwards Jacob named the place Penuel (Penuw`el, Peniy`el, meaning "face of God"), saying "I have seen God face to face and lived."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob

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Note added at 37 mins (2012-07-03 09:01:00 GMT)
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It means, in fact, that Jacob physically fought God in the form of an angel and won.
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Charles Davis
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Local time: 03:15
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4 +5emerged victorious in his struggle with God
Charles Davis
4was strong and triumphant through God
Jenni Lukac (X)
4won an argument with God
B D Finch


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prevailed with god
was strong and triumphant through God


Explanation:
God answered his prayers. www.thefreedictionary.com/prevail -
intr.v. pre·vailed, pre·vail·ing, pre·vails. 1. To be greater in strength or influence; triumph: prevailed against the enemy. 2. To be or become effective; win out: ...

Jenni Lukac (X)
Local time: 03:15
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 32

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neutral  B D Finch: Not "through".
20 mins
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prevailed with god
won an argument with God


Explanation:
Or possibly several arguments.

B D Finch
France
Local time: 03:15
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 28

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Colin Rowe: As Charles says, this clearly refers to the account in Genesis of what was more a "wrestling match" than an "argument".
4 hrs
  -> Right. My, admittedly hazy, memory of that story is that Jacob wrestled with an angel and the angel won by dislocating Jacob's leg but then, generously, blessed him all the same.
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32 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +5
prevailed with god
emerged victorious in his struggle with God


Explanation:
This clearly refers to the episode recounted in Genesis 32 and Hosea 12 in which a being, generally identified as an angel, appeared to Jacob, and they wrestled each other all night. Jacob successfully resisted the angel, who failed to overpower him. Jacob then becomes known as Israel, meaning (according to the literal interpretation) "one who prevails with God" in the sense of "one who fights victoriously with God". The exact interpretation depends on whether the angel is identified with God Himself, but Watson seems to hold this view: "God [...] as an angel".

This is very well explained in the Wikipedia page:

"There, a mysterious being appeared ("man", Genesis 32:24, 28; or "God", Genesis 32:28, 30, Hosea 12:3, 5; or "angel", Hosea 12:4), and the two wrestled until daybreak. When the being saw that he did not overpower Jacob, he touched Jacob on the sinew of his thigh (the gid hanasheh, גיד הנשה), and as a result, Jacob developed a limp (Genesis 32:31). Because of this, "to this day the people of Israel do not eat the sinew of the thigh that is on the hip socket" (Genesis 32:32). This incident is the source of the mitzvah of porging.
Jacob then demanded a blessing, and the being declared that from then on, Jacob would be called יִשְׂרָאֵל, Israel (Yisra`el, meaning "one that struggled with the divine angel" (Josephus), "one who has prevailed with God" (Rashi), "a man seeing God" (Whiston), "he will rule as God" (Strong), or "a prince with God" (Morris), from Hebrew: שרה‎, "prevail", "have power as a prince"). Jacob asked the being's name, but he refused to answer. Afterwards Jacob named the place Penuel (Penuw`el, Peniy`el, meaning "face of God"), saying "I have seen God face to face and lived."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob

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Note added at 37 mins (2012-07-03 09:01:00 GMT)
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It means, in fact, that Jacob physically fought God in the form of an angel and won.

Charles Davis
Spain
Local time: 03:15
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 172
Grading comment
Thanks!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Colin Rowe
4 hrs
  -> Thanks, Colin!

agree  Bill Greendyk: Amen! Greetings, Charles!
7 hrs
  -> Hi Bill! Great to hear from you. Thanks :)

agree  B D Finch: That is an incredibly weird story even by Biblical standards!
14 hrs
  -> Pretty bizarre, indeed. Thanks!

agree  Phong Le
20 hrs
  -> Thanks, Phong Le!

agree  JaneTranslates: Exactly right.
1 day 21 hrs
  -> Many thanks, Jane. Greetings :)
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