Arbre à haute futaie

English translation: a tree in the higher size class

19:29 Mar 8, 2012
French to English translations [PRO]
Botany / Gardening
French term or phrase: Arbre à haute futaie
This is for a glossary of gardening terms.

"Charmilles: Haie composée de charmes, arbre à haute futaie, qui se prête à l’art de la taille."

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Dominic Gourd
Local time: 07:49
English translation:a tree in the higher size class
Explanation:
Charmilles: Hedge [or tree border of an avenue/path/walk] of hornbeams, a tree in the higher size class and ideal for clipping [or pruning].
Hidcote Manor Garden: photo of a clipped hornbeam "hedge on stilts": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidcote_Manor_Garden
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Clive Phillips
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:49
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This confirmed the conclusion I had come to myself. I opted for "can grow to a considerable height" in the end. Thanks.
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Summary of answers provided
3 +2a tall(ish) tree
Rachel Fell
4(a hornbeam hedge) fully grown
Alison Sparks (X)
3a tree in the higher size class
Clive Phillips
Summary of reference entries provided
Wiki gives these definitions:
kashew
liz askew
Le Grand Robert on futaie:
rkillings

Discussion entries: 5





  

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(a hornbeam hedge) fully grown


Explanation:
A hornbeam hedge which once fully grown (in other words not saplings) can be used for topiary.

Alison Sparks (X)
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a tree in the higher size class


Explanation:
Charmilles: Hedge [or tree border of an avenue/path/walk] of hornbeams, a tree in the higher size class and ideal for clipping [or pruning].
Hidcote Manor Garden: photo of a clipped hornbeam "hedge on stilts": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidcote_Manor_Garden


    Reference: http://www.hedging.co.uk/acatalog/product_10215.html
    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedge
Clive Phillips
United Kingdom
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This confirmed the conclusion I had come to myself. I opted for "can grow to a considerable height" in the end. Thanks.
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arbre à haute futaie
a tall(ish) tree


Explanation:
in the context - "a glossary of gardening terms", it seems to be what it means - hornbeam, a tall(ish) tree that is also useful ...etc.

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Note added at 19 hrs (2012-03-09 15:28:08 GMT)
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Hornbeam "is extremely patient of the knife", as the great garden writer, John Claudius Loudon, put it, which is why it is so extensively used for hedges. At the Chelsea Flower Show this year, Tom Stuart-Smith stretched that patience to the limit by using 30-year-old hornbeams, cloud pruned so that only puffs of foliage were left, balancing at the ends of the branches in a way that I had never seen before.
Like beech, hornbeam (Carpinus betulus) hangs on to its leaves through winter, so that though it's deciduous, a screen of it provides almost the year-round cover that an evergreen hedge of yew does. In leaf, it hasn't got quite the shine of beech, the leaves more deeply veined, but for gardeners it is a more forgiving plant.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/house-and-home/garde...

Rachel Fell
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  David Hayes: Yes, if you check out the stats for hornbeam, it commonly grows up to 25 m tall and has small, dense leaves. The 'haute futaie' is used here to show that hornbeam is ideal for clipping into a tall hedge. I don't think we are taking about topiary here.
14 hrs
  -> Thank you David :-) Yes, I think it means it's suitable for hedging, clipping into shape, pleaching though not what I'd call topiary exactly

agree  Evans (X): Similar to a beech hedge. No one would dispute the ability of a beech to grow into a very tall tree, but beech hedges are very successful and can be kept at any desired height. My mother had a beautiful one, green in summer, brown in winteralways dense.
15 hrs
  -> Thank you Gilla, yes, both very nice :-)
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Reference comments


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Reference: Wiki gives these definitions:

Reference information:
Le Littré de 1872 précise : « Un bois de quarante ans se nomme futaie sur taillis ; entre quarante et soixante, demi-futaie ; entre soixante et cent vingt, jeune haute futaie ; de cent vingt à deux cent, haute futaie ; au-dessus de deux cents ans, haute futaie sur le retour.
In your text it probably means just big/mature tree.

kashew
France
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Asker: Thanks for the useful extract. But I don't see how it can mean a mature tree here; not ALL hornbeams are mature, are they?! I wonder if it means simply that hornbeams live to a ripe old age?

Asker: Hornbeams do appear to live up to 150 years, so that would seem to fit. Can any gardeners back this up?

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Reference

Reference information:
http://pistehors.com/news/forums/viewthread/66/

the Charmille are a decidous tree (hornbean or Carpinus betulus) that presumably can be found in this spot.

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Note added at 26 mins (2012-03-08 19:56:36 GMT)
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seems to be a favourite for hedges

http://www.hedgesdirect.co.uk/acatalog/hornbeam_hedge.html

liz askew
United Kingdom
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Reference: Le Grand Robert on futaie:

Reference information:
"Les futaies sont des arbres auxquels on laisse prendre tout leur développement naturel avant de les abattre; aussi les appelle-t-on quelquefois bois de haut jet par opposition aux taillis. Le mot futaie a un sens très large; il peut s'employer quelle que soit l'espèce des arbres et quel que soit leur âge."

cited from M. Planiol, Traité élémentaire de droit civil

rkillings
United States
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Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Tony M: Yes, the idea is that they are trees grown for their 'fût' (cf. the forests planted especially for growing masts for the Navy!)
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