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joie redemptrice

English translation: redeeming joy

12:23 Jan 16, 2012
French to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Philosophy / Nietzsche
French term or phrase: joie redemptrice
In a text about an exhibition, "Le Noir et le Bleu", in a museum. Context: "Le Noir et le Bleu, ce qui fait civilisation et de ce qui la nie, les Lumières et leurs ombres. Le rêve méditerranéen évoque volontiers une dimension solaire, ce grand éclat de midi et ce gai savoir que Nietzsche découvre avec une **joie rédemptrice**. Mais il est aussi, dans le même temps une autre face qu’il s’agit de rendre visible. Ce bloc d’abîme, ce pur négatif que Goya en peintre visionnaire a su discerner avec éclat...". I understand the meaning of the words, but am not too hot on philosophical concepts! Would this be "this happy knowldge that Nietzsche discovered with a redemptive joy", please? Thanks in advance for any help.
Nicky Over
United Kingdom
Local time: 15:37
English translation:redeeming joy
Explanation:
Off the top of my head; I wouldn't put an article ("a") in English (that he discovered with redeeming joy). You might investigate "saving" and salvation. More a religious reference, to my mind.
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Gabrielle Leyden
Belgium
Local time: 16:37
Grading comment
Thanks for your help - I though this sounded more natural than 'redemptive'.
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4 +4redemptive joy
B D Finch
3 +1redeeming joy
Gabrielle Leyden
3redemptive delight
Just Opera


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18 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
redeeming joy


Explanation:
Off the top of my head; I wouldn't put an article ("a") in English (that he discovered with redeeming joy). You might investigate "saving" and salvation. More a religious reference, to my mind.


Gabrielle Leyden
Belgium
Local time: 16:37
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 8
Grading comment
Thanks for your help - I though this sounded more natural than 'redemptive'.

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agree  Mariana Hernandez
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redemptive delight


Explanation:
then you can translate "gai savoir" as joyful science (as it sometimes is).

Just Opera
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Local time: 16:37
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18 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +4
redemptive joy


Explanation:
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0252066030...Richard John White - 1997 - Philosophy - 209 pages
"... the drama of parts two and three is directed by the thought of eternal recurrence, for this is Zarathustra's worst nightmare, as well as his final redemptive joy. ..."

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Note added at 4 days (2012-01-21 09:23:26 GMT) Post-grading
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Note that there is a subtle difference in meaning between 'redemptive joy' and 'redeeming joy'. In the former the joy attains/achieves redemption, whereas the latter implies a sin, fault or shortcoming that is compensated for (redeemed) by the joy. 'Redemptive joy' does not imply any sin or fault to be compensated for and could also be understood as radiating redemption to other people.

B D Finch
France
Local time: 16:37
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PRO pts in category: 10

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Philippa Smith
7 mins
  -> Thanks Philippa
agree  EirTranslations
1 hr
  -> Thanks Beatriz
agree  Jim Tucker (X)
2 hrs
  -> Thanks Jim
agree  RBell01
2 days 23 hrs
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