vécu dépressif

20:10 Dec 14, 2011 

Many thanks for your efforts. I thought twice about asking this question, it seemed to be 'too easy' but judging by the discussion engendered I was right to ask the question. The next 'question' is open for observation/remarks/answers.
Is a Freudian slip some sort of ladies underwear?
TIA Chris.
And if I don't have reason to call upon you in the next 10 days, A Very Merry Christmas & A Happy & Prosperous New Year to All.
Thank you for your efforts throughout the year,
Chris.

10:37 Dec 14, 2011 

"depression is often manifested through the fear of punishment"?

08:27 Dec 14, 2011 

Thank you Bashiqa.
Depression "expresses itself" is perfectly natural to me, as is the passive construction by the way which is pretty natural in English of course, every bit as much as the reflexives in French!

21:10 Dec 13, 2011 

Le vécu dépressif s'exprime souvent par la crainte d'être puni ou renié par le groupe avec un sentiment de trahison envers la communauté.

20:53 Dec 13, 2011 

The 'par' could be considered in a number of ways : by, through, via etc or as, ... Further context would help.

20:52 Dec 13, 2011 

but it demands a certain knowledge of and ease with the subject matter...
I personally would avoid the nasty passive construction and write it in plain English.

20:49 Dec 13, 2011 

There is room for a number of possibilities with this sentence.

19:59 Dec 13, 2011 

of course it does!

http://www.google.lu/search?q=depression expresses itself&ie...

and it manifests itself as well:
http://www.google.lu/search?q=depression expresses itself&ie...

not only in the mouths of clinicians

19:19 Dec 13, 2011 

I think the comment I put on previous question also applies to this one. Your contributions are, to say the least, interesting. It's nice to know that my questions provoke some head-scratching.

17:58 Dec 13, 2011 

Don't forget the "often". I didn't say or imply that "fear of punishment" is the only way depression expresses itself (IOW how people with depression experience it/feel, in plain English).

17:55 Dec 13, 2011 

It's not expressed AS the fear of being punished, because that is only one of several ways in which it may express itself. I suggest: through. or in the form of the fear ... . Indeed, I think that relying upon a single criteria to decide somebody is depressed is probably a bad idea that would only benefit pharmaceutical companies.

17:39 Dec 13, 2011 

OK, so "as".

17:25 Dec 13, 2011 

It's not expressed BY the fear of being punished but AS the fear of being punished.
Depression feels like the fear of being punished.

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Depression is often likened to a fear of punishment.

17:16 Dec 13, 2011 

In spite of the fact that "vécu" denotes past, thus, as confirmed by any decent dictionary, it is often rendered in English as "experience".
The presence of the word "souvent" in the sentence does not pose a problem. Here is how it might be rendered :

"experience of depression is often expressed by the fear of being punished..."

The passive voice in all its glory!

Of course with more context, the sentence before and after this one might help. Expression of time is such a particular thing.