logiques de déroulement de carrière

English translation: rationale for (a) career path

13:15 Aug 30, 2011
French to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Government / Politics / Employment policy
French term or phrase: logiques de déroulement de carrière
As per my earlier question, I am translating a document on labour market discrimination as part of my post-graduate studies in translation.

The document from which the term in question comes can be found at: http://www.halde.fr/La-discrimination-multicritere-a-l,14848...

The sentence in question comes from the section dealing with the research methodology and how a series of interviews with migrant women will be conducted. The sentence reads:

"En ce qui concerne l'âge des personnes à interroger, ayant pris note que les logiques de déroulement de carrière et de création d'entreprise ne sont pas au centre de l'interrogation ici, il apparaît pertinent de limiter l'éventail des âges possibles".

My translation currently reads: "Having specified that neither professional careers nor business creation were the focus of this inquiry, it seemed appropriate to restrict the range of possible ages of those to be interviewed."

I'm not happy with the 'professional careers' part of the phrase, and am unclear whether professional women are being eliminated from the enquiry or somethine else.

As always, grateful for any feedback or input.

Thanks.
Irene McClure
Local time: 11:17
English translation:rationale for (a) career path
Explanation:
..I'm led to believe by the use of "les logiques" in the plural as opposed to the singular, that a translation of "rationale" or maybe even the plural "reasons for career path" would be more appropriate
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Timothy Rake
United States
Local time: 02:17
Grading comment
Thanks Timothy - this along with Jocelyn's answer and Matthew's later comments got me thinking along the lines of migrants' reasons for making particular career choices.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1patterns of career development
Michel F. Morin
3approaches to career deveopment
MatthewLaSon
3rationale for (a) career path
Timothy Rake
3motivation behind career/professional history
Jocelyne S
3logical progression in career development
liz askew
3questioning on a migrant's workers plan for career development and ...is not the focus of interview
MatthewLaSon


Discussion entries: 4





  

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approaches to career deveopment


Explanation:
Hello,

logiques = façons de raisonner (here: ways to approaching or taking on)


The cognitive information processing (CIP) approach to career development and services (Peterson, Sampson, & Reardon, 1991; Peterson, Sampson, Reardon, ...
http://www.career.fsu.edu/documents/cognitive information pr...


I hope this helps.

MatthewLaSon
Local time: 05:17
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 32
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks Matthew - I appreciate your thoughts. As with Liz's suggestion though - can you explain a bit further what you think this might mean in the context I've given? I see your interpretation of 'logiques', which I like, but can't see how this could be something which could be ruled out of the research. Grateful if you have any further ideas.

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8 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
rationale for (a) career path


Explanation:
..I'm led to believe by the use of "les logiques" in the plural as opposed to the singular, that a translation of "rationale" or maybe even the plural "reasons for career path" would be more appropriate

Timothy Rake
United States
Local time: 02:17
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Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16
Grading comment
Thanks Timothy - this along with Jocelyn's answer and Matthew's later comments got me thinking along the lines of migrants' reasons for making particular career choices.
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks for your answer Timothy - your answer certainly makes more sense of the sentence as a whole and I think, alongside Jocelyne's answer, gives me something to work on. Thanks!

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motivation behind career/professional history


Explanation:
I believe the gist is that they are not interested in what motivated candidates' career or professional history/choices (i.e. the reasons behind the careers they have or what led them to where they are today).

HTH,
Jocelyne

Jocelyne S
France
Local time: 11:17
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Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 43
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you Jocelyne - I think between your answer and Timothy's above I can finally make sense of the sentence. I think I will use seomething along the lines of motivation or rationale behind career choices. Thanks again.

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17 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
patterns of career development


Explanation:
Hallo,

Well, I know "logiques" is not equivalent to "patterns". Nevertheless, that's the word I suggest, and I believe that in the French text, "schémas" (rather uncharged) could very well do too.

"Déroulement de carrière" = "career development".

Michel F. Morin
France
Local time: 11:17
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Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 42
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks for your input Michel although I feel that the important part of the sentence may be the use of the word 'logiques' in the sense of rationale or reasoning as Timothy and Jocelyne pointed out earlier.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  liz askew: I agree here, they are talking about something tangible, i.e framework/structure
38 mins
  -> Thank you Liz. Il est toujours un peu difficile de proposer une traduction lorsqu'on n'est pas tout à fait d'accord sur le choix et la pertinence du terme utilisé dans le texte d'origine !
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logical progression in career development


Explanation:
Master Class - Joe Williams Communications, Inc.
www.jwcom.com/dialogue-master.html - Cached
Think of it as the next logical progression in your career development path. Think of the benefits from your first Dialogue Workshop—now multiply those by two. ...

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Note added at 18 hrs (2011-08-31 07:23:40 GMT)
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I think "principles " could work too

I don't think it has anything to do with "mindset" as this is a stock phrase in French employment speak

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Note added at 18 hrs (2011-08-31 07:26:48 GMT)
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see here whey they say "construire des logiques...."

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La gestion prévisionnelle des emplois et des compétences (GPEC)
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avoir des perspectives en terme de déroulement de carrière. ..... et d'imbrication cohérent permettant de construire des logiques de déroulement de carrière ou ...

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Note added at 18 hrs (2011-08-31 07:29:49 GMT)
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Career development framework - TDA
www.tda.gov.uk/support.../career-development-framework.aspx - Cached
The career development framework for school support staff maps common support staff roles against national training and qualifications. It is a searchable ...

liz askew
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:17
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 19
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks for your input Liz - although do you have any ideas how it could be worked into the phrase? As I understand it, the author is highlighting two areas which are not the focus of the study, namely entrepreneurs and this one. I had thought 'carrière' was reference to professionals as opposed to other employment routes which is how I arrived at my original attempt.

Asker: Thanks again Liz for your comments, I appreciate your time. However I still don't see how 'logiques' in this straightforward sense could fit into my context - how could the researchers rule out 'logical progression in career development' from the scope of the study? Perhaps if you could explain your understanding of this in other words I might grasp it.

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questioning on a migrant's workers plan for career development and ...is not the focus of interview


Explanation:
Hello,

I think they may mean just that.

logiques = processes (step-by-step plan) = plan

Does that work better in this context?

For some reason, and I don't know why, the age range is being narrowed for that reason.

I wasn't reading things right the first few times around LOL

I hope this helps.

MatthewLaSon
Local time: 05:17
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 32
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