en la clásica se ha pecado demasiado de vestidos largos

English translation: sometimes there is too much emphasis on formal wear in classical music

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Spanish term or phrase:en la clásica se ha pecado demasiado de vestidos largos
English translation:sometimes there is too much emphasis on formal wear in classical music
Entered by: Lisa McCarthy

20:03 Jul 5, 2011
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Music / Interview with a pianist
Spanish term or phrase: en la clásica se ha pecado demasiado de vestidos largos
I understand wht this means but just can´t come up with soemthing I like at the moment. Toying with the idea of 'classical music is guilty of dressing itself up too much/over-dressing, etc...' or something to that effect Any suggestions welcome. For the UK.

Comment by a young pianist:

"Si pudiese tocar en vaqueros sería feliz", explica una de las más firmes promesas de la música clásica española. "A veces, **en la clásica se ha pecado demasiado de vestidos largos** que la alejan de la gente. Tanta formalidad asusta. Para apreciar la música clásica no hace falta entender de música clásica. Se trata de sentir", dice.
Lisa McCarthy
Spain
Local time: 12:04
The focus on formal wear in classical music is often excessive...
Explanation:
My suggestion for the entire sentence:

"The focus on formal wear in classical music is often excessive and pushes people away."

If you want something sharper (the speaker uses "pecar" so I think you could go with something more dramatic in English too):

"The obsession with formal wear in classical music often goes too far and pushes people away."
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Aisha Prigan (X)
Spain
Local time: 12:04
Grading comment
Thanks, Aisha and everybody for your help. This was a tricky one to decide on - lots of good suggestions, but this one was closest to what I eventually went with: "..sometimes there is too much emphasis on formal wear in classical music, which tends to distance it from the audience".
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1classical music sometimes too overdressed in black tie formality
Yvonne Gallagher
4has always draped itself in too much formality
Jenni Lukac (X)
4there is too much pomp and ceremony in classical music
Richard Hill
4classical music has overdone it with the long black dresses
David Ronder
4(Sometimes people find) the formal dress code of classical too daunting
James A. Walsh
4classical music has been too much about dressing up
Joel Schaefer
4Classical music has been presented too often as black tie and long dresses
Altogringo
3classical music has always been too elitist
anademahomar
3The focus on formal wear in classical music is often excessive...
Aisha Prigan (X)


Discussion entries: 4





  

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2 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
classical music has always been too elitist


Explanation:
That´s my interpretation

anademahomar
Honduras
Local time: 04:04
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Notes to answerer
Asker: Hi, I'm hoping to keep the reference to clothing, as this young pianist is trying to make classical music accessible to everyone, that's why she'd feel very happy if she could give her recitals wearing jeans.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  philgoddard: This doesn't do justice to the colorful expression - and it's "sometimes", not "always".
5 mins
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14 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
has always draped itself in too much formality


Explanation:
An idea. A perfect example of the new republic's urge to drape itself with ... www.famousquotesabout.com/quote/A-perfect.../297714 - En cachéA perfect example of the new republic's urge to drape itself with the togas of classical respectability. (quote);13 Feb 2011 – You have created the news event “HNIC chooses to drape itself in the flag not politics” and it can be found at: ...;www.confessingevangelical.com/?p=626 - En caché16 Sep 2010 – For coercion to do its work, it must drape itself in the alluring dress of a woman. The law for Burke is a cross-dresser. ...;www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/SamwayPercy.php - En cachéAlthough it drapes itself in the mantle of the scientific method and free scientific inquiry, it is neither free nor scientific. ...


Jenni Lukac (X)
Local time: 12:04
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21 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
there is too much pomp and ceremony in classical music


Explanation:
From reading all the text you've provided I don't think it's a metaphor for the music itself, I think he's literally talking about the way musicians (and the audience members) are forced to dress up when giving their recitals and concerts, and this puts off the potential audience from attending. In his case, he'd like to play wearing cowboy boots. Thus he thinks it's the formality that scares away the potential audience and not the overdressed classical music itself. I heard a BBC radio 4 interview the other day discussing this very topic. Thank God for radio 4 which I listen to all day while translating to stop me going completely off my rockers.

Richard Hill
Mexico
Local time: 05:04
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45 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
classical music sometimes too overdressed in black tie formality


Explanation:
another option

black tie is not just for men btw, for women it means a long evening gown, whereas she'd like to wear cowboy boots

or

"having to get all dressed up"

Yvonne Gallagher
Ireland
Local time: 11:04
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  philgoddard: Classical music IS sometimes - and you can't say "too overdressed". But I like the way you've kept the clothing theme.
2 mins
  -> thank you!
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54 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
classical music has overdone it with the long black dresses


Explanation:
I don't think you need to get too metaphorical with this one, she's talking literally about what the female members of the orchestra wear.

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Note added at 56 mins (2011-07-05 21:00:10 GMT)
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Actually I've just seen that she doesn't mention black - though they usually are in the more formal orchestras.

David Ronder
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:04
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(A veces,) en la clásica se ha pecado demasiado de vestidos largos (que la alejan de la gente)
(Sometimes people find) the formal dress code of classical too daunting


Explanation:

My stab at it.



Example sentence(s):
  • A veces, <u>en la clásica se ha pecado demasiado de vestidos largos</u> que la alejan de la gente. Tanta formalidad asusta.
  • Sometimes people find <u>the formal dress code of classical too daunting</u>. So much formality scares people.
James A. Walsh
Spain
Local time: 12:04
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
classical music has been too much about dressing up


Explanation:
Another idea.

Joel Schaefer
United States
Local time: 03:04
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13 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
The focus on formal wear in classical music is often excessive...


Explanation:
My suggestion for the entire sentence:

"The focus on formal wear in classical music is often excessive and pushes people away."

If you want something sharper (the speaker uses "pecar" so I think you could go with something more dramatic in English too):

"The obsession with formal wear in classical music often goes too far and pushes people away."

Aisha Prigan (X)
Spain
Local time: 12:04
Meets criteria
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thanks, Aisha and everybody for your help. This was a tricky one to decide on - lots of good suggestions, but this one was closest to what I eventually went with: "..sometimes there is too much emphasis on formal wear in classical music, which tends to distance it from the audience".
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23 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Classical music has been presented too often as black tie and long dresses


Explanation:
or "has presented itself too much as..." I think having both black tie and long dresses reinforces the idea of the image being presented more than just long dresses alone. Or possibly "Classical music has too much of an image of black tie and long dresses." Some variation of that might work, too, given that it's a a direct quote from a young pianist.

Altogringo
Spain
Local time: 12:04
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