maîtrise d'ouvrage

08:53 Feb 14, 2011 

I finally went with "for which it retains full control and responsibility" as proposed by Barbara in a discussion entry. It seems impossible to grade any of the answers given as answers as none of them corresponded to this particular situation. Thanks everyone.

08:21 Feb 11, 2011 

Obviously the word "offre" confused matters, making people think it was a tender document, which this isn't. The "offre" is the products offered for sale or whatever by the Customer, for which it uses the Service Provider's services - electronic payment systems in this case.

Barbara and Alex, thanks for ""for which it retains full control and responsibility" - this looks perfect.

Thanks very much to all answerers, sorry about the confusion!

08:02 Feb 11, 2011 

Yes, I too was thinking along the lines of "retains full responsibility and decisional powers". The notions of maître de l'ouvrage and maître d'oeuvre are not "conceptualized" as much/to the same extent in English as in French, and this is a case where departure far from the literal is required to convey the meaning in what will come across as normal English.

07:59 Feb 11, 2011 

They are not at all the same thing, but the two parties to a given contract! The maître d'oeuvre is the person who does the work while the maître de l'ouvrage (often, incorrectly, and facilitating confusion, maître d'ouvrage) is the (end-)person for whom the work is done. A maître d'oeuvre, when he is a prime contractor can also be a person for whom work is done, but the end-person is the maître de l'ouvrage.
It is a VERY common mistake to confuse the two, and one people intimately involved in such things make repeatedly. Only last week an engineering customer of mine used maître d'oeuvre where maître de l'ouvrage was meant.

00:36 Feb 11, 2011 

but i am typing on a soft surface and my keystrokes don't always register. Sorry.

00:29 Feb 11, 2011 

what is so difficult to understand. Haven't you ever translated tender documents?

21:59 Feb 10, 2011 

As this now sounds less like a project to be managed, perhaps it could be put more simply in English than it was in French. Something like "for which it retains full control and responsibility"?

21:35 Feb 10, 2011 

To carry out the objectives of his offer, the implementation of which he is the final destinator

13:20 Feb 10, 2011 

Hi there Bourth,

As I understand it, the Customer is going to outsource electronic payment services to the Service Provider. This has all been agreed. The "offre", I think is what the Customer "offers" its own customers, using the outsourced services. So the Customer "owns" its own "offre".

10:00 Feb 10, 2011 

the offre is clear in the Client's mind but has yet to be clearly formulated (for which the Prestataire will be put to work - "pour lui [le Client] permettre de réaliser les objectifs de son offre [l'offre du Client]"), which means that no bid has yet been submitted to the prospective Client of the Client. Is that the case?
Or has the Client's bid been submitted to and accepted by the Client's Client, and now has to be fine tuned and the actual work carried out by the prestataire?
It all depends on the interpretation of les objectifs de son offre. Is it the objectives of the bid (which has already been submitted and accepted) which have to be attained (réalisés), or is it the declared objectives of a future bid which have to be drawn up (réalisés)?