et ce

English translation: the aforesaid

18:45 Jan 23, 2011

French to English translations [Non-PRO]
Law/Patents - Law: Contract(s) / Business law

French term or phrase: et ce

Hi all --

When translating into English, does this phrase "et ce," get translated at all?

Here is the whole context:
(vi) solliciter, pour des projets susceptibles de concurrencer ceux de la Société et/ou des Filiales, l’un quelconque des clients et/ou fournisseurs avec lesquels la Société ou les Filiales entretiennent ou aura(ont) entretenu des relations commerciales ou que la Société ou les Filiales prospectent ou aura(ont) prospecté,

et ce, dans tous les cas, sans avoir préalablement recueilli l’accord préalable et écrit de chacun des Investisseurs.

Thanks for any help!

Michael Meskers KudoZ activity Questions: 550 (8 open) (23 without valid answers) (40 closed without grading) Answers: 5 United States
Local time: 02:14

English translation:the aforesaid

Explanation:
really just a guess, but it does seem to fit.

Selected response from:

David Wright
Austria
Local time: 08:14

Grading comment

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Summary of answers provided

3 +2

the aforesaid

David Wright

and that/those (whatever)

Jennifer Levey

and this

Tony M

and that / and the about

Antonio Tomás Lessa do Amaral

3 -1

and thus

Philippe ROUSSEAU

^ applicable in all cases where a

MatthewLaSon

Discussion entries: 2

Answers

6 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

the aforesaid

Explanation:
really just a guess, but it does seem to fit.

David Wright
Austria
Local time: 08:14
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 64

Grading comment

Thanks!

21 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

and thus

Explanation:
*

Philippe ROUSSEAU
France
Local time: 08:14
Native speaker of:

French

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Cécile A.-C.

20 mins

-> Merci, Cecilea ! Bonne journée !

agree

Etienne Muylle Wallace

42 mins

-> Merci beaucoup ! Bonne journée !

disagree

David Wright: Sorry but I'm not sure that "thus" makes sense here - this means it is a logical conclusion from what has gone before, which doesn't seem to me to be the case here.

1 hr

-> Yes, it is a ogical conclusion. "et ce" resumes all the previous elements of this part of text and includes them in a procedure, in a way of So, "thus" shows a chain of action here and is relevant for me.

disagree

Jennifer Levey: Agree with David.

1 hr

disagree

Tony M: Agree with David and M/M

1 hr

1 hr confidence:

and that/those (whatever)

Explanation:
I suggest that rather than omitting 'et ce' in English, or trying to be literal, it would be more natural (and clearer to readers) if you added a clear pointer to what 'ce' refers to.

I'll try to explain with an example:

The rules on children's behaviour prohibit:
a) hitting each other;
b) smoking in the playground;
c) bringing firearms to class;

and those rules (= et ce) are applied without regard to the parents wishes.

Jennifer Levey
Chile
Local time: 02:14
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 68

2 hrs confidence:

and this

Explanation:
Sometimes, this can work, it depends how your list started.

See also the glossary, since this has come up before.

Tony M
France
Local time: 08:14
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 343

5 hrs confidence:

^ applicable in all cases where a

Explanation:
Hello,

First of all, I wouldn't translate it literally (sounds a bit like Old English law documents, where we used "and this" to talk about what has just been mentioned). And, second, you would not use the word "aforementioned" here (pretty sure of that).

Perhaps, then, it would be best to translate it by "the above is applicable in all cases where", or something along those lines. That gives the idea that what has been "aforementioned" always applies.

The law has nothing to do with the actual state of the parties' minds. .... Such is always the case if the condition of a promise lies within the control of ...
www.lawyerintl.com/law.../1262-Contracts - Voidability

I hope this helps.

MatthewLaSon
Local time: 02:14
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 314

6 mins confidence:

and that / and the about

Explanation:
Hth

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Note added at 13 hrs (2011-01-24 08:09:29 GMT)
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I meant: amd the ABOVE, not About

Antonio Tomás Lessa do Amaral
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

Portuguese

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