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English translation: W for R

20:56 Aug 31, 2010
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
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When little kids are learning to speak it's difficult for them to pronounce some words / sounds. In Spanish instead of saying PROPINA (tip) some would say POPINA, not because they have a speech problem, just because they are learning. Are there any sounds that are difficult for English/ American kids? And how would you show that in writing? One of the characters of the book Im translating is a little kid who thinks as an adult but who speaks like a kid who have just learned to do so. and it's really funny to read those deep thoughts because of the way he speaks
What can I do in English? Many thanks in advance.
Lakasa Stnorden
Local time: 03:34
Selected answer:W for R
Explanation:
English-speaking kids tend to have problems with r, also. W or H are frequent substitutes: wabbit for rabbit (like the cartoon character Elmer Fudd) or tahget for target. W or Y is also common for an initial L: I wike you for I like you, or yittle for little. My cousin Tommy always made us laugh; if someone said, "You're getting to be a big boy!" he would reply, "No, I yittle!"
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Local time: 02:34
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SUMMARY OF ALL EXPLANATIONS PROVIDED
3 +4W for R
JaneTranslates
4 +1pasghetti | aminal
David Russi
5Nucular for Nuclear
patricklanglois
3 +1levelade (lemonade)
Patricia Rosas
4Adolf Hitler - Adol Filther
Alexandra Taggart
3lily-potter for helicopter
B D Finch
Summary of reference entries provided
Dictionary of Children's Mispronounced English
Ildiko Santana

Discussion entries: 2





  

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pasghetti | aminal


Explanation:
for spaghetti, animal... these can lead you to some sites that might help:

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Requests for clarification and children's speech responses ...
by H Gozzard - 2008 - Cited by 1 - Related articles
... and children's speech responses: Changing `pasghetti' to `spaghetti' ... One way children improve their pronunciation of monosyllabic words is via ...
clt.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/24/3/249
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Requests for Clarification and Children's Speech Responses ...
EJ813157 - Requests for Clarification and Children. ... for Clarification and Children's Speech Responses: Changing "Pasghetti" to "Spaghetti" ... Abstract: One way children improve their pronunciation of monosyllabic words is via ...
www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/recordDetail?accno=EJ813157
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Early Childhood Experiences in Language Arts: Early Literacy - Google Books Result
Jeanne M. Machado - 2009 - Education - 665 pages
By 3 years of age, children's pronunciation patterns are not yet fully like those ... of letter sounds are also common, for example, aminal and pasghetti. ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=1435400127...
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Pasghetti - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia
Jul 14, 2009 ... This oft-made mistake among children may seem a trifling form of methatesis (another invention of Pasghetti), but had actually occurred as ...
uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Pasghetti - Cached - Similar
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Jodie K. Schuller & Associates » Newsletters
Also, watch children who are still mispronouncing words (e.g. “pasgetti” for ... There are many reasons why some children have pronunciation problems. ...
www.speak4success.com/newsl.html - Cached - Similar
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Why do so many people pronounce "ask" as "aks" and am I the only ...
Dec 8, 2006 ... For example, many children say "pasghetti" before they can say ... The pronunciation of "ask" as "aks" is a West of England dialect that can ...
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LINGUIST List 7.1048: /aks/ and /akst/ in AAVE
... of the order of two sounds as when children say "pasghetti" for spaghetti. ... First, some respondents discussed issues of ease of pronunciation and ... the tiniest of roles in the emerging literacy of African American children. ...
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David Russi
United States
Local time: 00:34
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
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agree  Lynda Bogdan (X)
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levelade (lemonade)


Explanation:
When my daughter was growing up, she played with the little girl next door. Every time this child tried to say "lemonade" it came out "levelade"! She was about 5 at the time, and definitely didn't have any speech problems. It was really hard, 'tho, not to laugh in her face because it was so cute and funny sounding!

Patricia Rosas
United States
Local time: 23:34
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4

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agree  Kim Metzger: And L for T - wallermelon
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W for R


Explanation:
English-speaking kids tend to have problems with r, also. W or H are frequent substitutes: wabbit for rabbit (like the cartoon character Elmer Fudd) or tahget for target. W or Y is also common for an initial L: I wike you for I like you, or yittle for little. My cousin Tommy always made us laugh; if someone said, "You're getting to be a big boy!" he would reply, "No, I yittle!"

JaneTranslates
Puerto Rico
Local time: 02:34
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 12
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Nesrin: and f for th - I fink you're wight!
5 mins
  -> Fank you, Neswin.

agree  B D Finch: You mean that you don't pronounce target as tahget? Are you Scottish?
1 hr
  -> I knew when I wrote it that I would get myself in trouble for that! In *my* dialect, we pronounce the R in target, but of course that's not universal. Thanks, B D Finch, and my apologies to Bostonians, etc.

agree  Kim Metzger: And L for T - wallermelon
16 hrs
  -> Very true (vewy twue), Kim. Thanks!

agree  Ildiko Santana
1 day 23 hrs
  -> Thanks much, ildiko.
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
lily-potter for helicopter


Explanation:
One that I remember my son doing. Of course it could be spelled lillipotter, but that doesn't quite have the same effect.

B D Finch
France
Local time: 07:34
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Native speaker of: English
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1 day 20 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
Nucular for Nuclear


Explanation:
A common mispronunciation.
It seems to stem from the grouping of consonants as a syllable.

patricklanglois
Canada
Local time: 02:34
Native speaker of: French
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Adolf Hitler - Adol Filther


Explanation:
Very often these words are somebody's name. Since it is only through consciousness that we can know anything, kids often believe that peole bear specific names according to their characters (like in cartoons).

Alexandra Taggart
Russian Federation
Local time: 09:34
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in RussianRussian
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Reference comments


2 days 30 mins
Reference: Dictionary of Children's Mispronounced English

Reference information:
You mentioned it is a book you are translating, so it might be worth investing some $14 or so into this reference material. In addition to the linguistic value, there is also the entertainment factor. :) See example below:

pan•da•cake [PAN-duh-kayk] noun.
A flat, round cake made of batter, fried on both sides on a griddle and usually topped with butter, syrup and sometimes fruit or whipped cream. Traditionally served for Breakfast, but reported by most children to be even better when served for Dinner. "Mom is making pandacakes tonight!" Has also been pronounced Pannycake.

©2009 The American Sandbox Dictionary of Children's Mispronounced English /Alvin Zamudio


    Reference: http://www.americansandbox.com/dictionaryofcme/
Ildiko Santana
United States
Native speaker of: Native in HungarianHungarian, Native in EnglishEnglish
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