Wertgefühle

English translation: perceptions/concepts of value

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German term or phrase:Wertgefühle
English translation:perceptions/concepts of value
Entered by: British Diana

14:27 Jun 11, 2010
German to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Philosophy / ethics
German term or phrase: Wertgefühle
I have been asked to help somebody translate the term ‘Wertgefühle’ into English. The full sentence in the text (which I don't know any more about, unfortunately) reads: „In der Einmaligkeit, der Unvergleichlichkeit des Gegenstandes wurzeln alle unsere Wertgefühle.“
She has rendered it as „The singularity, the incomparability of an object constitute the roots of all our felt values.”
The editors don’t think that ‘felt values’ is adequate. It is of course an inversion, but the literal ‘value feelings’ also sounds somehow wrong. What is meant is sth like ‘the appreciation of objects based on intuition’.

Sorry not to have any more context, but perhaps someone can put us on the right track?
Thanks a lot for your ideas, especially if you can spare a few minutes during the weekend..
British Diana
Germany
Local time: 04:14
perceptions/concepts of value
Explanation:
I'd say perceptions or concepts of value, although it will depend on the borader context, of course.

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Note added at 2 days15 hrs (2010-06-14 05:55:14 GMT) Post-grading
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Many thanks, Diana!
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David Williams
Germany
Local time: 04:14
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To be quite honest, the philosophical discussion this term has sparked is way over my head. So I will go with the six Agrees and choose David's suggestion perhaps as modified by some of his Agreers. Will pass the entire discussion on to my acquaintance and encourage her to join Pro.com. herself.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +6perceptions/concepts of value
David Williams
3turn it around
mill2
3feelings about the value of an object
Bernhard Sulzer


Discussion entries: 7





  

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21 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
turn it around


Explanation:
We value something because we perceive it to be unique and incomparable

(or something along those lines)

mill2
Local time: 04:14
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: Dear mill, personally I am all for this type of paraphrase, but I had to go with the majority, (see above). Thanks for your contribution!


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  David Williams: That wouldn't really work as a translation of Wertgefühle though, or let alone of the sentence given above. That would change the meaning entirely.
1 day 18 hrs
  -> Why not? It renders the meaning of the German sentence better than the literal translations proposed// how so?
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15 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +6
perceptions/concepts of value


Explanation:
I'd say perceptions or concepts of value, although it will depend on the borader context, of course.

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Note added at 2 days15 hrs (2010-06-14 05:55:14 GMT) Post-grading
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Many thanks, Diana!

Example sentence(s):
  • Perceptions of value and value beyond perceptions.
  • Concepts of Value In the contemplation of values we must distinguish between that which is value in our being and that which HAS value. ...

    Reference: http://uksg.metapress.com/index/2XYEVUPLBRPLCDMQ.pdf
    Reference: http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=10375
David Williams
Germany
Local time: 04:14
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
To be quite honest, the philosophical discussion this term has sparked is way over my head. So I will go with the six Agrees and choose David's suggestion perhaps as modified by some of his Agreers. Will pass the entire discussion on to my acquaintance and encourage her to join Pro.com. herself.
The amount of massed expertise available on this site from really brilliant translators is absolutely unique.
Thanks to everyone who has contributed so splendidly here!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Rolf Keiser
16 mins
  -> Thanks!

agree  philgoddard: Or perceived values.
19 mins
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agree  CArcher
45 mins
  -> Thanks!

agree  Vera H.: with philgoddard, or "sense" of values
1 hr
  -> Thank you!

agree  Melanie Meyer: with philgoddard
2 hrs
  -> Thanks!

agree  Thayenga
2 hrs
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9 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
feelings about the value of an object


Explanation:
To me, it means the personal feelings we have/establish towards an exciting object. It's based on our subjective perception/experience.

I also thought of "valuations" but it doesn't convey the "Gefühle" part quite right but it's a possibility.

how to say this shorter?
well, maybe: value feelings

as it is used here:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/meinong/

Meinong's early theory of value (1894; 1895) can be dubbed a subjectivist theory insofar as Meinong holds the thesis that there are values because of our value attitudes [Werthaltungen], and not that we would value things because they have value. Value attitudes are value-feelings; they are neither judgments about one's value-feelings nor judgments about the values of objects. A value-feeling is an emotional response to believed states of affairs and presupposes, therefore, judgments and representations (ideas) of the intended objects as so-called “psychological presuppositions” (1894, §11).


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Note added at 9 hrs (2010-06-12 00:26:18 GMT)
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also from the above link:
Despite the fact that emotions play the crucial role in Meinong's value theory, values are not just a matter of consciousness, not a complex of emotions only, but value experiences (value-feelings [Wertgefühle]) are explanatorily prior to values. Although values are neither purely mental nor physical things or occurrences, it is an empirical fact that there are values, and value questions are factual questions; “hence ethics is an empirical science” (1894, §56, 170, §70, 225).

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Note added at 1 day1 hr (2010-06-12 15:29:00 GMT)
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I did consider perceptions of value or perceived values but it could be interpreted differently, not as a feeling we have or establish about the value of an object (based on personal attitudes, experiences, our personal perceptive 'powers' and our personal history/experience of feelings) but as the (personal) perception of an existing value the object has.
But you can say that any value an object has only exists because somebody assigned that value first. But maybe there is a difference between a commonly perceived value and our own personal feelings about that value or that object....

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Note added at 1 day1 hr (2010-06-12 16:07:42 GMT)
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...although in the context above it is the uniqueness of that object as it is perceived by the viewer on which these feelings are based.

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Note added at 1 day8 hrs (2010-06-12 23:18:24 GMT)
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corr:...perceptions of values (plural); perceptions of value wouldn't work at all since it could mean valuable perceptions.

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Note added at 1 day9 hrs (2010-06-12 23:36:53 GMT)
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..let me rather say perceptions of value has other meanings, not that it wouldn't work at all...; of course, in this particular context, it can mean perception of a particular value/of particular values. But as I wrote above, it would not be my choice. Just my thoughts.

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Thank you, Diana!

Bernhard Sulzer
United States
Local time: 22:14
Works in field
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 24
Notes to answerer
Asker: Dear Bernhard, Thank you so much for your detailed explanation. The very fact that you kept adding to your original idea shows that you have been thinking about the topic for a considerable amount of time and delving more deeply into it. This is humbling for me as unfortunately I cannot do your thoughts justice (as I say I am out of my depth with this discussion), nor am I in a position to decide against the 6 Agrees in your favour. I am passing the whole term on to my acquaintance and she will of course read everything and make the final decision as to which term to use.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  David Williams: I think this COULD apply in the right context, but only in that specific context.
2 days 5 hrs
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