appel d’offre ouvert sur offre de prix

English translation: call for tenders, contract to be awarded to lowest bidder

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French term or phrase:appel d’offre ouvert sur offre de prix
English translation:call for tenders, contract to be awarded to lowest bidder

13:46 Apr 25, 2010
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French to English translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Law: Contract(s) / invitation to tender
French term or phrase: appel d’offre ouvert sur offre de prix
I am translating an invitation to tender document. I am finding this phrase difficult. My attempt so far is "open invitation to tender with award on price basis".

I am unsire if I have understood the meaning of "offre de prix" correctly in this context.
Nicola Holmes
United Kingdom
Local time: 05:45
call for tenders, contract to be awarded to lowest bidder
Explanation:
Having discovered that this formulation is Moroccan French and refers to Moroccan legislation that I can't be bothered to track down, my feeling is that this is, as I surmised in Discussion, referring to the fact that the contract will be awarded to the lowest bidder rather than to the best bid.

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Note added at 52 mins (2010-04-25 14:38:03 GMT)
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WRONG ON BOTH COUNTS:

Not only was I wrong about not being bothered - curiosity always gets the better of me - but I was wrong about the principle:

L’alinéa 2 §1 de l’article 16 du décret N° 2-06-388 du 16 moharrem 1428 says
L'appel d'offres peut être ouvert ou restreint. Il est dit "OUVERT" lorsque tout candidat peut obtenir le dossier de consultation et présenter sa candidature. Il est dit "restreint" lorsque seuls peuvent remettre des offres, les candidats que le maître d'ouvrage a décidé de consulter.
L’alinéa 3 §3 de l’article 17 du décret N° 2-06-388 du 16 moharrem 1428 says :
. L'appel d'offres peut être fait au "rabais" ou "SUR OFFRES DE PRIX".

Pour les appels d'offres dits "au rabais", les concurrents souscrivent l'engagement d'effectuer les travaux ou les services ou de livrer les fournitures dont l'estimation est faite par le maître d'ouvrage, moyennant un rabais (ou une majoration) exprimé en pourcentage.

Pour les appels d'offres sur "OFFRES DE PRIX", le dossier d'appel d'offres ne donne d'indication aux concurrents que sur la nature et l'importance des travaux, fournitures ou services dont le soumissionnaire fixe lui-même les prix et arrête le montant.
www.mhu.gov.ma/NR/rdonlyres/.../0/passationdesmarchés.doc

I'll have to think about that for the English!

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Note added at 5 hrs (2010-04-25 19:37:40 GMT)
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Open tender on item-rate basis

I'd never encountered any form of tendering that was NOT what in some parts of the world (notably India, for terms in English) is called the "item rate tender", as opposed to the "percentage rate tender", a thing I had never heard of.

With the (conventional or) item-rate tender, the Employer prepares a bill of quantities giving the amounts of each type of work/material etc. required and the tenderer fills in his prices for each item and calculates the total cost.

With a percentage-rate tender the Employer works out a cost for the project (by what means?) and tenderers say whether they can do the job "at par" or for so many percent above or below that price. New to me. Sounds a bit like buying a carpet in the souk.

Sealed Tenders are invited on PERCENTAGE RATE BASIS / ITEM RATE BASIS from the ... Tender price bid issued by the department duly filled in all respect and ...
westerncoal.nic.in/tenders/archives/view.php?tenderno=wamg-civ-s25...

All tenders of high value shall be called on "ITEM RATE BASIS" and not on. "PERCENTAGE RATE BASIS." (b). Before acceptance of the bid by Competent Authority ...
cvc.nic.in/annualreport98/annexureVIII.pdf

Tenders on PERCENTAGE RATE BASIS ABOVE OR BELOW OR AT PAR THE DNIT* for the below mentioned works are hereby invited in double envelope system
* Detailed Notice Inviting Tender
puda.nic.in/Sector-77.doc

1. File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
Rate is to be quoted on PERCENTAGE RATE BASIS I.E. AT PER / % / ABOVE / % BELOW THE ESTIMATED COST (both in figures and words). Any correction made on rate ...
tenders.gov.in/viewtenddoc.asp?tid=wesb283073&wno=1&td=BD

PERCENTAGE RATE TENDER: For percentage rate of tenders, the contractors are required to QUOTE RATE AS OVERALL PERCENTAGE ABOVE OR BELOW THE TOTAL ESTIMATED COST. This kind of form of tender can be used in respect of maintenance works, leveling and development works including such works as storm water drainage, water supply and sewer lines. Such percentage rate contract should be confined to maintenance works up to the value of Rs. 10 Lakh only. All other works contracts should be well planned and awarded as lumpsum contracts.
ITEM RATE TENDER: For item rate tenders, contractors are required to QUOTE RATE FOR INDIVIDUAL ITEMS OF WORK ON THE BASIS OF SCHEDULE OF QUANTITIES. The contractor has to quote the rates against each item of work.
http://www.finmin.nic.in/the_ministry/dept_expenditure/GFRS/...
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Bourth (X)
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Thanks - this seems to make sense.
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5 +1open tender
Liliane Hatem
3call for tenders, contract to be awarded to lowest bidder
Bourth (X)


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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +1
open tender


Explanation:
Finance Source, Open Tender. Tender Type, a legal entity of public law. Buy Object. Qualification. Tender Documentation Handle Date. Contact Information ...
www.tenders.gov.ge/?lan=en&p=MzM=&page=4 -

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In the letting of contracts, an arrangement whereby a project owner allows the submission of bids or proposals by all qualified contractors. Source, fiche 1, Défintion 1 - open tendering

CONT – In deciding whether to choose between Selective and Open Tendering, consideration must be given to the advantages and disadvantages of both these methods. One reason given for using selective tendering rather than open tendering is that those responsible "know the market" and can hand-pick suitable bidders. Another perception is that open tender may mean higher administrative costs such as advertising, and greater time spent in assessing many tenders rather than a select but relevant few ... However, the market cannot really be known unless it is tested in a open manner. Market knowledge can become out-of-date very quickly and may be affected by a change of staff in a department or administrative unit. Administrative costs for open tendering need not be greater than selective tendering, and any increase should be offset by savings through greater competition. Source, fiche 1, Contexte 1 - open tendering

OBS – Nearly always used in contracting for government work. Source, fiche 1, Observation 1 - open tendering
Termium

Liliane Hatem
Lebanon
Local time: 07:45
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in ArabicArabic
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agree  MatthewLaSon: Hello. That's what I thought, too.
10 hrs
  -> Hello. Thank you, Matthew :-)
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call for tenders, contract to be awarded to lowest bidder


Explanation:
Having discovered that this formulation is Moroccan French and refers to Moroccan legislation that I can't be bothered to track down, my feeling is that this is, as I surmised in Discussion, referring to the fact that the contract will be awarded to the lowest bidder rather than to the best bid.

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Note added at 52 mins (2010-04-25 14:38:03 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

WRONG ON BOTH COUNTS:

Not only was I wrong about not being bothered - curiosity always gets the better of me - but I was wrong about the principle:

L’alinéa 2 §1 de l’article 16 du décret N° 2-06-388 du 16 moharrem 1428 says
L'appel d'offres peut être ouvert ou restreint. Il est dit "OUVERT" lorsque tout candidat peut obtenir le dossier de consultation et présenter sa candidature. Il est dit "restreint" lorsque seuls peuvent remettre des offres, les candidats que le maître d'ouvrage a décidé de consulter.
L’alinéa 3 §3 de l’article 17 du décret N° 2-06-388 du 16 moharrem 1428 says :
. L'appel d'offres peut être fait au "rabais" ou "SUR OFFRES DE PRIX".

Pour les appels d'offres dits "au rabais", les concurrents souscrivent l'engagement d'effectuer les travaux ou les services ou de livrer les fournitures dont l'estimation est faite par le maître d'ouvrage, moyennant un rabais (ou une majoration) exprimé en pourcentage.

Pour les appels d'offres sur "OFFRES DE PRIX", le dossier d'appel d'offres ne donne d'indication aux concurrents que sur la nature et l'importance des travaux, fournitures ou services dont le soumissionnaire fixe lui-même les prix et arrête le montant.
www.mhu.gov.ma/NR/rdonlyres/.../0/passationdesmarchés.doc

I'll have to think about that for the English!

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 5 hrs (2010-04-25 19:37:40 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Open tender on item-rate basis

I'd never encountered any form of tendering that was NOT what in some parts of the world (notably India, for terms in English) is called the "item rate tender", as opposed to the "percentage rate tender", a thing I had never heard of.

With the (conventional or) item-rate tender, the Employer prepares a bill of quantities giving the amounts of each type of work/material etc. required and the tenderer fills in his prices for each item and calculates the total cost.

With a percentage-rate tender the Employer works out a cost for the project (by what means?) and tenderers say whether they can do the job "at par" or for so many percent above or below that price. New to me. Sounds a bit like buying a carpet in the souk.

Sealed Tenders are invited on PERCENTAGE RATE BASIS / ITEM RATE BASIS from the ... Tender price bid issued by the department duly filled in all respect and ...
westerncoal.nic.in/tenders/archives/view.php?tenderno=wamg-civ-s25...

All tenders of high value shall be called on "ITEM RATE BASIS" and not on. "PERCENTAGE RATE BASIS." (b). Before acceptance of the bid by Competent Authority ...
cvc.nic.in/annualreport98/annexureVIII.pdf

Tenders on PERCENTAGE RATE BASIS ABOVE OR BELOW OR AT PAR THE DNIT* for the below mentioned works are hereby invited in double envelope system
* Detailed Notice Inviting Tender
puda.nic.in/Sector-77.doc

1. File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
Rate is to be quoted on PERCENTAGE RATE BASIS I.E. AT PER / % / ABOVE / % BELOW THE ESTIMATED COST (both in figures and words). Any correction made on rate ...
tenders.gov.in/viewtenddoc.asp?tid=wesb283073&wno=1&td=BD

PERCENTAGE RATE TENDER: For percentage rate of tenders, the contractors are required to QUOTE RATE AS OVERALL PERCENTAGE ABOVE OR BELOW THE TOTAL ESTIMATED COST. This kind of form of tender can be used in respect of maintenance works, leveling and development works including such works as storm water drainage, water supply and sewer lines. Such percentage rate contract should be confined to maintenance works up to the value of Rs. 10 Lakh only. All other works contracts should be well planned and awarded as lumpsum contracts.
ITEM RATE TENDER: For item rate tenders, contractors are required to QUOTE RATE FOR INDIVIDUAL ITEMS OF WORK ON THE BASIS OF SCHEDULE OF QUANTITIES. The contractor has to quote the rates against each item of work.
http://www.finmin.nic.in/the_ministry/dept_expenditure/GFRS/...


Bourth (X)
Local time: 06:45
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 413
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Thanks - this seems to make sense.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  writeaway: sorry, none of the above. item rate basis seems to be used in India and Pakistan only.
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