véhicule remorqué

English translation: hauled vehicle

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French term or phrase:véhicule remorqué
English translation:hauled vehicle
Entered by: Tony M

15:16 Apr 24, 2010
French to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Transport / Transportation / Shipping / Railway network
French term or phrase: véhicule remorqué
In conditions of use for rolling stock on Luxembourg railway network, this term occurs once within a list of conditions of use, as follows:

• Avant l'incorporation du véhicule précité dans un train, l'expéditeur doit confirmer par écrit que les conditions d'acheminement comme véhicule remorqué sont remplies.

I know that in railway contexts, 'vehicle' is indeed used in the context of rolling stock; but my research so far has failed to come up with any conclusive confirmation of 'towed vehicle' relating specifically to rail vehicles; it's quite hard to sort the 'wheat from the chaff', as there is so much 'noise' from references to road vehicles :-(
Tony M
France
Local time: 00:54
hauled vehicle
Explanation:
in fact, this is more complicated than you probably realise. The term in French is normally used when referring to a locomotive, traction unit or power car that is not running under its own steam but incorporated in the consist of another train to be hauled from one place to another. This can happen for a variety of reasons - following a breakdown, need for transfer to the depot or repair sheds, light running to economise on fuel/power, etc.

I suspect you may be a little out of your depth here and it would take me far too long to explain

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Exactly - this happens when locomotives belonging to one operator are taken for repair to the depot of another - in your case, I susepct that a foreign operator is sending a locomotive on CFL lines and it has to go for some sort of operation to a CFM depot. Once on depot premises, it has to be hauled from one place to another. This is just one example of what can happen
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polyglot45
Grading comment
Thanks a lot for your help! 'Haul' is certainly a term I'm familiar with in railway jargon, and this term seems the best choice — especially as the definition you give corresponds exactly to my context.
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Summary of answers provided
3 +2Towed/drawn vehicle
Gad Kohenov
4 +1hauled vehicle
polyglot45
4trailer
jmleger
3 -1rolling stock ('car' in N. America)
Jennifer Levey
Summary of reference entries provided
trailed vehicle
José Patrício

Discussion entries: 5





  

Answers


6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
Towed/drawn vehicle


Explanation:
towed vehicle
drawn vehicle

Two possibilities.

Gad Kohenov
Israel
Local time: 01:54
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench, Native in HebrewHebrew
PRO pts in category: 11
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks for your contribution! Unfortunately, I couldn't find a lot of corroboration for this on the 'Net, as a term specifically relating to railway rolling stock


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Michel F. Morin: Towed vehicle: OK
6 hrs
  -> Thanks a lot!

agree  Hazel Le Goff
17 hrs
  -> Thanks a lot!
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36 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
trailer


Explanation:
I suppose they mean anything trailed by a semi.

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In 1967, the Vermont Railway created a new opportunity for the shippers of Vermont, trailer-on-flat-car. Operating piggyback service in and out of Vermont, the Vermont Railway grew the intermodal trailer fleet to over 6,000 units and became one of the largest trailer operators in the nation; as well as being an integral part of the development of intermodal equipment. With the new success of intermodal traffic, Vermont Railway added terminals in Chicago and St. Louis, and more recently Memphis, to handle the high demand for the Vermont Railway trailer fleet.


jmleger
Local time: 17:54
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 12
Notes to answerer
Asker: I don't think so, J-M: this is specifically in a context of <i>railway</i> rolling stock, so nothing to do with trucks, I'm afraid :-(

Asker: Right, though that still seems to be describing the loading of a <i>road</i> trailer onto a flatbed waggon, doesn't it?

Asker: Thanks for your contribution! Unfortunately, I couldn't find a lot of corroboration for this on the 'Net, as a term specifically relating to railway rolling stock

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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
rolling stock ('car' in N. America)


Explanation:
I reckon it simply refers to 'rolling stock', of whatever kind (freight wagons, passenger carriages, etc.) as distinct from 'locomotives' and other units used to provide traction or command of the train.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/fra/securiteferroviaire/regles-tco095-13...

3.12 « inspecteur accrédité de [b]matériel remorqué[/b] » : personne formée, qualifiée et certifiée pour faire l'examen et l'entretien de l'équipement de frein du matériel remorqué; (certified [b]car[/b] inspector)

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From the same webref:
4.1 Les compagnies ferroviaires doivent s'assurer que leurs inspecteurs accrédités de matériel remorqué possèdent la formation et la compétence nécessaires pour effectuer des essais de frein sur les wagons et/ou sur les voitures en conformité avec le présent Règlement ...

Note that the doc. includes Canadian English translations of defined terms.

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You are moving the goalposts, Tony. That's not cricket!

The question says "véhicule remorqué", and you frst lead us to believe it refers to 'rolling stock'. Now you tell us "It is definitely a railway engine..." - and in the next breath you cast doubt on that saying that "it [i]seems[/i] to be self-powered".

If it ain't self-powered, then it ain't an engine. And if it [i]is[/i] an engine, then it ain't 'rolling stock', it's 'traction stock':

Artículos académicos para railway traction stock
Network reconfiguration of distribution systems using … - Su - Citado por 59
… on British Railways traction and rolling stock - Wojtas - Citado por 5
… in the rail industry: The case of Swiss private railways - Cowie - Citado por 32


Resultados de la búsquedaHome for Traction & Rolling Stock Advertiser - [ Traducir esta página ]
Advertising pages of TRACTIONADS, the website of Traction & Rolling Stock Advertiser, the first place to visit for Railway Vehicles, Parts, Services, ...
www.tractionads.co.uk/ - En caché - Similares

Now, coming back to the question:

Many comon railway terms are drawn (sic) from the days of horse-drawn (re-sic) transport, and the term 'drawn stock' is used to refer to any 'stock' that is 'drawn', whether it be traction stock or rolling stock:

Atomic Systems • View topic - Metropolitan Railway stock pack - [ Traducir esta página ]
Excellent news - a nice lot of steam, but what about some of the other ... goes they ran in conjunction with the Dreadnaught steam and electric drawn stock, ...
uktrainsimlive.net/viewtopic.php?f=260&t=52465...0 - En caché

Jennifer Levey
Chile
Local time: 18:54
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 49
Notes to answerer
Asker: The trouble with 'rolling stock' is that I already have 'matériel roulant', and what do you do when you need a countable? 'A rolling vehicle'?

Asker: Thanks, R, for your contribution! Unfortunately, this was rather a special case: a locomotive that was not being used under its own power. As RK says, <i>every</i>thing that rolls on a railway track is 'rolling stock', so that sadly doesn't really quite address the key issue here.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  rkillings: "Rolling stock comprises all the vehicles that move on a railway."
7 hrs
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
hauled vehicle


Explanation:
in fact, this is more complicated than you probably realise. The term in French is normally used when referring to a locomotive, traction unit or power car that is not running under its own steam but incorporated in the consist of another train to be hauled from one place to another. This can happen for a variety of reasons - following a breakdown, need for transfer to the depot or repair sheds, light running to economise on fuel/power, etc.

I suspect you may be a little out of your depth here and it would take me far too long to explain

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Note added at 16 hrs (2010-04-25 07:55:12 GMT)
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Exactly - this happens when locomotives belonging to one operator are taken for repair to the depot of another - in your case, I susepct that a foreign operator is sending a locomotive on CFL lines and it has to go for some sort of operation to a CFM depot. Once on depot premises, it has to be hauled from one place to another. This is just one example of what can happen

polyglot45
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 204
Grading comment
Thanks a lot for your help! 'Haul' is certainly a term I'm familiar with in railway jargon, and this term seems the best choice — especially as the definition you give corresponds exactly to my context.
Notes to answerer
Asker: That's exactly the point I've been trying to get across — I'm not that far out of my depth! This is indeed a locomotive, but for regulatory reasons, has to be used as part of another train; that far, I'd got... it was just the correct term for 'remorqué' that I couldn't find... and I think you've found it.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Alison Sabedoria (X): "Hauled" sounds right to me. In 50 years of living with train-mad men I must have absorbed something!
11 hrs
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Reference comments


4 mins
Reference: trailed vehicle

Reference information:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=fr&q=trailed vehicle&lr=&aq=...

José Patrício
Portugal
Native speaker of: Native in PortuguesePortuguese
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