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in and of themselves

German translation: allein

19:07 Feb 6, 2010
English to German translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Finance (general) / Wirtschaftsrecht
English term or phrase: in and of themselves
As the examination of the [Wirtschaftsprüfungsgesellschaft] demonstrates, none of these sums, in and of themselves, would have sufficed to avoid the insolveny of the company.

What does this "in and of themselves" mean? Thanks in advance!
susaphon
Germany
Local time: 11:43
German translation:allein
Explanation:
Es bedeutet einfach “all by themselves", wird nur zur Verstärkung eingesetzt

Die Ergebnisse zeigen, dass keiner dieser Beträge allein und fűr sich genommen die Insolvenz des Unternehmens hätten abwenden können.

http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=39415
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Johanna Timm, PhD
Canada
Local time: 02:43
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Summary of answers provided
3 +8allein
Johanna Timm, PhD
5keiner der Beträge wäre ausreichend gewesen um...
Gabriella Bertelmann
4insofern
Peter Downes


  

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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +8
allein


Explanation:
Es bedeutet einfach “all by themselves", wird nur zur Verstärkung eingesetzt

Die Ergebnisse zeigen, dass keiner dieser Beträge allein und fűr sich genommen die Insolvenz des Unternehmens hätten abwenden können.

http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=39415


Johanna Timm, PhD
Canada
Local time: 02:43
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 107
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Bernhard Sulzer: "an sich" wäre auch noch ein Vorschlag
5 mins
  -> danke Bernhard, "an sich" passt auch super!
agree  Gisela Greenlee: Genau - auch wenn mein Vorschlag "in and of itself" als Übersetzung für "allein" von einer anderen Übersetzerin als nicht von "nativ speakers" benutzt, da sie den Ausdruck nicht kannte, beurteilt wurde.
33 mins
  -> Echt? Mit "native speakers" assoziiere ich albernerweise immer Indianer, die eine Rede halten:-))
agree  Katja Schoone
2 hrs
  -> danke liebe Katja
agree  British Diana: @Gisela - yes the NS was me, but I admitted that I wasn't familiar with the AE expression//Ah yes, for me it is a case of "Two nations divided by a common language", I'm afraid!
11 hrs
  -> thanks Diana:-) I, too, have had problems with some German regional expressions that sounded non-native to me:-)
agree  transcreator
15 hrs
agree  Monika Elisabeth Sieger
16 hrs
agree  Rolf Keiser
19 hrs
agree  Steffen Schmeisser
20 hrs
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11 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
insofern


Explanation:
From the context I would interpret the phrase as " in this respect, insofar as ".

Peter Downes
Germany
Local time: 11:43
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
keiner der Beträge wäre ausreichend gewesen um...


Explanation:
although I agree with "allein", I think it might be awkward to use in this sentence, so here is my suggestion for the sentence
(keiner der Beträge .. gives the emphasis)

hope it is helpful. Good luck on your translation

Gabriella Bertelmann
Local time: 11:43
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in GermanGerman
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