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escalas de percepción del paisaje

English translation: scales of perception

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Spanish term or phrase:escalas de percepción del paisaje
English translation:scales of perception
Entered by: Carol Gullidge

20:00 Jan 9, 2010
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Tourism & Travel / viewing monuments in Seville
Spanish term or phrase: escalas de percepción del paisaje
Las características singulares de los tres monumentos incluidos (...) y particularmente las características de la torre de la Giralda como hito visual, han sido objeto de un análisis perceptivo (...)

En este estudio se reconocen dos ****< escalas de percepción del paisaje >**** urbano de Sevilla:
a) su paisaje urbano histórico, vinculado al casco antiguo de la ciudad y a su indisoluble relación con la dársena del Guadalquivir como río “histórico”; y
b) el paisaje de la ciudad de la periferia y de su área metropolitana.

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The text is about the merits of the group of monuments as a heritage site, not only for their own inherent values, but also how they fit into the landscape... and, I believe, how they can be viewed - which I think is relevant here.
I'm at a loss as to how to translate 'escalas de percepción ' without it sounding like some psychological or artistic term. I'm not at all convinced by the literal translation. Obviously, (a) and (b) describe the 2 'escalas' in question.

I'd be really grateful for any suggestions - many thanks!

Incidentally, I've translated 'análisis perceptivo' as 'perceptual analysis' and not 'perceptive analysis' (rightly or wrongly)
Carol Gullidge
United Kingdom
Local time: 13:40
ways of looking at the landscape
Explanation:
Plain (UK) English:

se reconocen dos ****< escalas de percepción del paisaje >**** urbano de Sevilla
-->
(the study acknowleges that) there are two (quite different) ways of looking at the urban landscape of Seville:
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Jennifer Levey
Chile
Local time: 08:40
Grading comment
many thanks to everyone! Once again, I feel rather silly as the translation turns out to be the literal one ("scales of perception"), even though I had considered this possibility from various angles, and discarded it - amongst a good deal of others. Claudia's answer is also pretty close in meaning, apparently!
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Summary of answers provided
4 +5ways of looking at the landscape
Jennifer Levey
4 +1two ways to appreciate/admire the urban landscape
Edward Tully
4insights of the landscape
Marian Cantero (X)
3 +1This study uses the following classifications to describe the urban landscape of Seville
Fiona Hale
4the two stopping points to appreciate the site
Leonardo Lamarche
4levels of appreciation, against its backdrop/background
Richard Boulter
3stages/phases in the appreciation of the (urban) landscape
Christine Walsh
3...two angles from which to observe/appreciate...
claudia16 (X)
3two scales at which Seville's urban landscape may be viewed / two scales for viewing Seville's...
Bubo Coroman (X)
2two ways that it fits into the landscape
bigedsenior


Discussion entries: 1





  

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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
two ways that it fits into the landscape


Explanation:
just a suggestion

bigedsenior
Local time: 05:40
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Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 132
Notes to answerer
Asker: thanks biged - I hadn't thought of it from this angle!

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12 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
insights of the landscape


Explanation:
You could use this term. You can have different insights of the same thing, depending of how you look at it.

Marian Cantero (X)
Local time: 14:40
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish
Notes to answerer
Asker: thanks Marian! Insights suggests view(ing) points or perspectives... could be on to something here!

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33 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
This study uses the following classifications to describe the urban landscape of Seville


Explanation:
I wonder if turning it round like this or similar might work better. You could also try "typologies" instead of classifications. I agree that a literal translation is going to sound odd in English.

Fiona Hale
Local time: 13:40
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Aradai Pardo Martínez
1 hr
  -> thanks!
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9 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
stages/phases in the appreciation of the (urban) landscape


Explanation:
Might do. Cheers

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Note added at 13 mins (2010-01-09 20:14:11 GMT)
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As to your question at the end, I think 'perceptual' sounds OK, certainly better than 'perceptive'

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Note added at 42 mins (2010-01-09 20:42:56 GMT)
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Not to worry, I realised as soon as I clicked that it wasn't a question. Not that it would worry me, but the moderators are right: it plays havoc with the glossary.

Christine Walsh
Local time: 09:40
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 16
Notes to answerer
Asker: thanks Chris! I wasn't trying for 2 questions at once (although I suppose that must be how it looks) but just hoping to add "perspective" to the term in question. Btw, I like your idea of "appreciation"

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46 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
the two stopping points to appreciate the site


Explanation:
Creo que este es el significado.

Leonardo Lamarche
Venezuela
Local time: 08:40
Native speaker of: Spanish
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47 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +5
ways of looking at the landscape


Explanation:
Plain (UK) English:

se reconocen dos ****< escalas de percepción del paisaje >**** urbano de Sevilla
-->
(the study acknowleges that) there are two (quite different) ways of looking at the urban landscape of Seville:

Jennifer Levey
Chile
Local time: 08:40
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16
Grading comment
many thanks to everyone! Once again, I feel rather silly as the translation turns out to be the literal one ("scales of perception"), even though I had considered this possibility from various angles, and discarded it - amongst a good deal of others. Claudia's answer is also pretty close in meaning, apparently!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  James A. Walsh: Absolutely! Happy New Year.
4 hrs
agree  Alan Douglas (X): Elegant solution in plain English which corresponds most closely to the source text. Feliz año nuevo.
12 hrs
agree  Ronnie McKee
13 hrs
agree  Thayenga: FAN
14 hrs
agree  Rachel Fell: two ways/methods/levels of viewing the urban landscape are considered in this study
15 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
...two angles from which to observe/appreciate...


Explanation:
Seville's urban landscape

claudia16 (X)
United Kingdom
Local time: 13:40
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 8
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
two ways to appreciate/admire the urban landscape


Explanation:
Agree that a literal take here won't do - HTH.

Edward Tully
Local time: 14:40
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 110

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jenni Lukac (X)
2 days 17 hrs
  -> thank you Jenni! ;-)
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9 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
two scales at which Seville's urban landscape may be viewed / two scales for viewing Seville's...


Explanation:
seems to be referring to the cartographical scale: the old city will be viewed on a larger scale as the area is smaller, while the outskirts of the city will be viewed at a smaller scale as the map will take in a larger area.

The writer does seem to have more of a technical approach (that of an architect or geographer) than that of an artist, even though he/she combines the two approaches.

Bubo Coroman (X)
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 155
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19 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
levels of appreciation, against its backdrop/background


Explanation:
Not to be left out in such an actively friendly discussion, I add another set of wording options in case it may be helpful.
Happy typing!

Richard Boulter
United States
Local time: 06:40
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Native speaker of: English
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