худсовет

English translation: Arts Council

23:20 Jan 2, 2010

Russian to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - History / Soviet history

Russian term or phrase: худсовет

I am translating for subtitles, so I can not simply transliterate this term. "Artistic Council" is widely used academically, but I think it's garbage and cry foul because, in this usage, "Artistic" is uninformative and, indeed, fails to meet a single one of the following seven conventions I sniped from a cheesy online dictionary (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/artistic), with the possible exception of number 6.

1. conforming to the standards of art; satisfying aesthetic requirements: artistic productions.
2. showing skill or excellence in execution: artistic workmanship.
3. exhibiting taste, discriminating judgment, or sensitivity: an artistic arrangement of flowers; artistic handling of a delicate diplomatic situation.
4. exhibiting an involvement in or appreciation of art, esp. the fine arts: He had wide-ranging artistic interests.
5. involving only aesthetic considerations, usually taken as excluding moral, practical, religious, political, or similar concerns: artistic principles.
6. of art or artists: artistic works.
7. of, like, or thought of as characteristic of an artist: an artistic temperament.

Arts Council, on the other hand, infers that the council rules or governs the arts. At least, to my ears it does. And, in said flimsy, unauthoritative free dictionary, "Arts" in this usage lines up with definitions 8, 10, 11, and 5 (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/arts).

Furthermore, if we really want to get into it (which I do) the term should ideally convey that there were khudsovets for each discipline-- thus I propose an Arts Council of Animation, an Arts Council of Painting, and so on.

Ethan Bien KudoZ activity Questions: 120 (none open) (1 without valid answers) (9 closed without grading) Answers: 21 United States
Local time: 07:31

English translation:Arts Council

Explanation:
English speakers know them as "Arts Councils", I think. I agree that the Soviet khudsovets were actually governing the arts, (since they could censor it). 'Art Council' sounds right to me.

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... could censor THEM, sorry

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DTSM
Local time: 14:31

Grading comment

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Summary of answers provided

3 +4

Arts Council

DTSM

4 +1

art panel/board

Michael Korovkin

4 +1

expert panel on/for

Yuliya UA

Arts Censoring Committee / Censor Committee on ...

Alina EN-RU

creative review committee

Alexander Ryshow

Film Council

Angleterre (X)

Summary of reference entries provided

something to choose

Alexandra Taggart

Discussion entries: 9

Alina EN-RU

United States

Very true, Dmitry!

14:45 Jan 7, 2010

99% ideology

DTSM

I'm still sure

14:30 Jan 7, 2010

that 'council' can be a good word to use here. The Soviet khudsovets had the right not only to assess the artistic merit of a work of art. They had powers of decision on whether a work of art should be banned (or modified) as inconsistent with the Soviet ideology.

Michael Korovkin

Italy

Are you sure?

09:36 Jan 7, 2010

Art council is usually an entity. Say, governmental or belonging to a private foundation, etc. On the other hand, every theatre or film studio (at least in Russia) has a khudsovet. It consists of the theatre mandarins (Director, Glavnyj Rezhsser, Direktor Stzenarnogo Otdela, the dean of the troup, etc), a couple of schnooks nominated by the mandarines, and, often, a union guy. In the anglophone world this bunch is usually referred to as board or pannel – not council, ain't it? You, guys, you...!

Alina EN-RU

United States

Thank YOU!

16:41 Jan 6, 2010

It was a very interesting question.

Ethan Bien

United States

ASKER

Thanks

16:18 Jan 6, 2010

I'm going to award the Kudoz points to Dmitry Zolotopup, unless anyone has any objections, but I want to thank everyone for contributing to this discussion...

Vladimir Dubisskiy

United States

i would not use "artistic"

14:24 Jan 3, 2010

simply beased on Collins rendering:
of or characteristic of art or artists 2) performed, made, or arranged decoratively and tastefully; aesthetically pleasing 3) appreciative of and sensitive to beauty in art 4) naturally gifted with creative skill

Arts Board - probaby, but Arts Council sounds better (to me).

Ethan Bien

United States

ASKER

@ the entry at proz.com/kudoz/644462

11:28 Jan 3, 2010

Thanks for the link. I've always had lousy luck with Kudoz term searches. The statement that "Publishing houses and other businesses usually have Artistic Directors and/or Artistic Boards" may be true (although, where I come from, artistic directors work in theater), but these artistic directors' or boards' responsibilities have very little in common with the responsibilities of a худсовет, and in any case, we need a term that differentiates this organ of the Soviet government from analogues in other cultures, even if they DID resemble one another in some sense.

Also, I noticed in this parallel Kudoz entry that the author of the chosen definition cited no sources.

Natalie

Poland

See

10:59 Jan 3, 2010

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/644462

Vladimir Dubisskiy

United States

you are correct

00:03 Jan 3, 2010

I would use something like Arts Council on Animation,etc.

Answers

4 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

art panel/board

Explanation:
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Michael Korovkin
Italy
Local time: 13:31
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English,

Russian
PRO pts in category: 36

6 mins confidence:

creative review committee

Explanation:
редакционно-художественный совет - creative review committee

http://www.multitran.ru/c/m.exe?a=3&s=�� &sc=91&l1=2&l2=1

Alexander Ryshow
Belarus
Local time: 14:31
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Russian
PRO pts in category: 8

13 mins confidence:

Film Council

Explanation:
Well, there's an equivalent Film Council in the UK if that helps (if it's a movie you're translating subtitles for). They oversee the movie industry from a regulatory and cultural point of view and are most famous for their logos at the beginning of every movie that's shown in the cinemas =) with minimum age requirements (12, 12A, 15 etc.)

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there's an American equivalent as well: Motion Picture Association http://www.mpaa.org/ - if it's there why was 2012 ever released? =)

Reference: http://www.ukfilmcouncil.org.uk/

Angleterre (X)
United Kingdom
Local time: 12:31
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Russian,

Ukrainian

49 mins confidence:

Arts Censoring Committee / Censor Committee on ...

Explanation:
Худсовет (Художественный совет) — вид органа культурной власти в СССР.
Худсоветы составлялись из членов союзов композиторов, писателей, кинематографистов, а также партийных и комсомольских функционеров, заинтересованных в искусстве. Постоянного состава худсоветы не имели, для каждого отдельного случая состав совета формировался отдельно.
Любая программа музыкальной группы, театральной труппы, новый фильм и другие произведения массового искусства должны были проходить **утверждение худсоветом**. Члены совета могли высказывать артистам претензии и предложения по материалу, которые должны были быть услышаны.
В задачу худсоветов входила **как политическая, так и нравственная, и качественная цензура материала**. Произведения, противоречащие общественной морали, советской идеологии, или просто низкого качества, отсеивались, не проходя этот барьер. **Отсутствие одобрения от худсовета ставило крест на планах проката фильмов и исполнения программ**.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Худсовет

“This new **committee** will play an important role in implementing key recommendations of the Arts Task Force and in providing broader guidance on the role of the arts at Harvard.”
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/12/committee-on-a...

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Dear Asker, no, the Soviet Government NEVER used such words as "sensorship" but just because it didn't want anybody to admit the existance of such things as sensorship and dictatorship in the USSR. The main duty of all these committees was "не пущать!!!" and they really WERE governmental sensoring bodies in their essence. To call them "artistic councils" is kind of anfare towards all those talented Russian artists, musitions, etc. who were persecuted in the USSR. But as far as just words translation is concerned, yes, "artistic council" is absolutely OK. Hmm... why then it seems "garbage and cry foul" to you? I am a bit confused...

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*unfair, sorry

Alina EN-RU
United States
Local time: 07:31
Works in field
Native speaker of: Russian

Notes to answerer

Asker: I think that labeling them boards or committees of censorship would be disloyal to the original term-- they weren't called censorship committees by the Soviet government, probably because they saw their mission as something broader.

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +4

Arts Council

The Arts Council did, however, allow me to make the film, but without much enthusiasm.

Reference: http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst?docId=5001652180

DTSM
Local time: 14:31
Native speaker of:

Russian
PRO pts in category: 8

Grading comment

Thanks!

1 day 10 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

expert panel on/for

Explanation:
There's a variety of expert panels on the Net. It's a very general term, of course. But maybe that's something you are looking for as you can easily make it specific, like "expert panel on animation", etc.

Yuliya UA
Local time: 14:31
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Russian,

Ukrainian

Reference comments

42 mins

Reference: something to choose

Reference information:
http://www.tate.org.uk/about/governancefunding/subcommittees...

Alexandra Taggart
Russian Federation
Native speaker of:

English,

Russian

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