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grupos cerrados

English translation: the organization of private events and groups, and of organizational conventions.

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Spanish term or phrase:grupos cerrados
English translation:the organization of private events and groups, and of organizational conventions.
Entered by: Magdalena Rasquin (X)

02:41 Dec 11, 2009
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Marketing - Tourism & Travel / eventos corporativos
Spanish term or phrase: grupos cerrados
Una empresa de viajes que ofrece organizar eventos corporativos. Quizás no sea “closed groups” ya que en Internet no lo veo aplicado a corporaciones.¿será tal vez close/d corporations? Aquí el contexto:
Organización de eventos corporativos: desde lanzamientos de productos, jornadas de trabajo, congresos Oficiamos de coordinadores locales en todo lo referente a la organización de eventos privados, convenciones institucionales y *manejo de grupos cerrados*.
Magdalena Rasquin (X)
Argentina
Local time: 18:20
the organization of private events and groups, and of organizational conventions.
Explanation:
I think that the original was carelessly drafted, and that "eventos privados" and "grupos cerrados" refers to the same thing. This is my suggestion for resolving the redundancy, and thus improving on the original.

Sometimes you can wrack your brains over issues like this until you realize that the problem is with a sloppily written original text.

I do not know that this is the case here, but I strongly suspect that it is. If not, I would challenge other responders to meaningful differentiate between the two terms. We can then see if whatever solutions thus generated are more plausible than what I am suggesting.

Suerte.

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Note added at 17 mins (2009-12-11 02:59:19 GMT)
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CORRECTION:

the coordination of private events and groups, and of organizational conventions.

[to avoid ugly repetition of "organization....organizational."


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Note added at 18 mins (2009-12-11 03:00:52 GMT)
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Or, possibly, even "large conventions."

I don't think that "institucional" has any specific meaning here, and that the events in question could be corporate or professional in nature, or perhaps those of non-profit entities.

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Note added at 1 hr (2009-12-11 04:12:00 GMT)
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Stated otherwise, I believe that the "eventos privados" and "grupos cerrados" belong to one and the same semantic unit.
Selected response from:

Robert Forstag
United States
Local time: 17:20
Grading comment
you´re right, Robert, thanks
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +3private/small group (events, meetings)
Remy Arce
4 +2exclusive groups/party events
David Hollywood
3 +2the organization of private events and groups, and of organizational conventions.
Robert Forstag
4Closed Group
Gilberto Diaz Castro
3private functions
ormiston


  

Answers


4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
exclusive groups/party events


Explanation:
:)

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Note added at 7 mins (2009-12-11 02:49:25 GMT)
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I think "exclusive groups" might cover it :)

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Note added at 11 mins (2009-12-11 02:53:14 GMT)
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maybe "private functions"

David Hollywood
Local time: 18:20
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 87
Notes to answerer
Asker: thans, David


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  yolanda Speece: private events
3 mins
agree  Emma Ratcliffe
1 hr
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22 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
private/small group (events, meetings)


Explanation:
another option
http://www.museumofflight.org/private-events
Private Group Events and Meetings: We welcome the opportunity to serve the community by allowing private event use of the Museum.

Remy Arce
United States
Local time: 17:20
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 8
Notes to answerer
Asker: gracias, Remy


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Rafael Geronimo: Me gusta esta definicion
2 hrs
  -> ¡muchas gracias Rafael!
agree  neilmac: This is what sprang to mind before seeing the suggestions :-)
7 hrs
  -> ¡mucha gracias Neil!
agree  Clare Hogg: nice
9 hrs
  -> ¡muchas gracias Clare!
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16 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
la organización de eventos privados, convenciones institucionales y manejo de grupos cerrados.
the organization of private events and groups, and of organizational conventions.


Explanation:
I think that the original was carelessly drafted, and that "eventos privados" and "grupos cerrados" refers to the same thing. This is my suggestion for resolving the redundancy, and thus improving on the original.

Sometimes you can wrack your brains over issues like this until you realize that the problem is with a sloppily written original text.

I do not know that this is the case here, but I strongly suspect that it is. If not, I would challenge other responders to meaningful differentiate between the two terms. We can then see if whatever solutions thus generated are more plausible than what I am suggesting.

Suerte.

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Note added at 17 mins (2009-12-11 02:59:19 GMT)
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CORRECTION:

the coordination of private events and groups, and of organizational conventions.

[to avoid ugly repetition of "organization....organizational."


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Note added at 18 mins (2009-12-11 03:00:52 GMT)
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Or, possibly, even "large conventions."

I don't think that "institucional" has any specific meaning here, and that the events in question could be corporate or professional in nature, or perhaps those of non-profit entities.

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Note added at 1 hr (2009-12-11 04:12:00 GMT)
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Stated otherwise, I believe that the "eventos privados" and "grupos cerrados" belong to one and the same semantic unit.

Robert Forstag
United States
Local time: 17:20
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 92
Grading comment
you´re right, Robert, thanks

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Ventnai: yes, private is the word
6 hrs
  -> Right: I think that "private events" and "private groups" refer to a single type of service, and therefore should be lumped together. Thank you, Ian.
agree  Fiona Hale
18 hrs
  -> Thank you, Fiona.
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Closed Group


Explanation:
Esta es la traducción apropiada. Un "closed group meeting/party/event"
es un evento donde no se permite la entrada de nadie después que el evento comienza. No es necesariamente privado, solo indica que no se permite la interrupción del mismo por personas que llegan tarde.

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Note added at 1 hr (2009-12-11 04:30:41 GMT)
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An open group is one in which people are allowed to come and go in the group as they desire with no commitment for regular attendance.


A closed group is one in which the people make a time commitment to attend all meeting and no additional people are allowed in the group once it is formed for a specific period of time (like 6 months) or until the group size decreases to a certain minimum number like 8.

http://www.community4me.com/faq_smallgrp.html
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closed group,
(in psychotherapy) a group in which all members are admitted at the same time and vacancies that occur in the membership are not filled.
Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier.

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Closed group
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    Reference: http://www.grace-church.com/grace/html/smallGroupsFAQ.php#qu...
Gilberto Diaz Castro
United States
Local time: 17:20
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: thanks, Gilberto


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Robert Forstag: Your references bear absolutely no relevance to the tourism/travel context of the posted query, and the term "closed group" would never be used in such a context.
1 day 12 hrs
  -> Thanks for your opinion. However, I have attended several meeting/conferences where nobody is allowed to enter after the speaker has started, and they all have been denomiated as closed conference or closed group meetings. Have a great weekend.
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
private functions


Explanation:
I see why you post this, because the forementioned 'eventos privados' seems to cover it (and I agree with Robert's comments). I toyed with 'invitation only' but all the groups could be restricted in this way. Anyway, unless you incorporte it under the first 'private events' here is my suggestion - it does seem to be in contrast to 'corporate'

ormiston
Local time: 23:20
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 32
Notes to answerer
Asker: thanks!

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