question about hyphens

English translation: not just the hyphens

08:11 Dec 5, 2009
English language (monolingual) [Non-PRO]
Linguistics
English term or phrase: question about hyphens
Hi,

I'm not sure of the use of hyphens in the following:

a 2-and-a-half-year hiatus

Is that correct? Or should it be:

a 2-and-a-half year hiatus
cosmicgirl72
Selected answer:not just the hyphens
Explanation:
First correct the use of "2". Numbers up to ten should be written out.

Then I would write it as "two-and-a-half year hiatus", following the principle that adjectives get hyphenated while nouns generally don't unless they are on the way to becoming compound nouns. Also try saying it and see where the stress falls. On the other hand, no hyphens for "two and a half years later".

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Note added at 6 hrs (2009-12-05 15:03:45 GMT)
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John is logically correct, but I just couldn't bring myself to put more than three hypens in a row, so I allowed six-and-a-half to qualify year and opted not to use a hyphen for the additional qualification that whole string makes to "hiatus".

According to the Times Style Guide:
"hour and a half, an [sic] no hyphens as a noun; but hyphenate adjectivally, eg, an hour-and-a-half break. Similarly for two and a half years, two thirds. But note twenty-three etc
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/tools_and_services/specials...

Whereas the Gurniad Style Guide prefers:
"half
"no hyphen when used adverbially: you look half dead; half wine, half water; his trousers were at half mast; the scores were level at half time.
"Hyphen when used adjectivally: a half-eaten sandwich; a half-cut subeditor; half-time oranges. The boy is six and a half; a six and a half-year-old boy"
Which could be understood as two boys, one aged six years and the other six months.


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Note added at 1 day3 hrs (2009-12-06 12:04:24 GMT)
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I think that the critics who want a fourth hyphen are probably right, so: "two-and-a-half-year hiatus" it is. This would make me opt for only using this construction for reported speech (where one has to quote what was actually said) and otherwise to write "a hiatus of two and a half years".
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not just the hyphens


Explanation:
First correct the use of "2". Numbers up to ten should be written out.

Then I would write it as "two-and-a-half year hiatus", following the principle that adjectives get hyphenated while nouns generally don't unless they are on the way to becoming compound nouns. Also try saying it and see where the stress falls. On the other hand, no hyphens for "two and a half years later".

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Note added at 6 hrs (2009-12-05 15:03:45 GMT)
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John is logically correct, but I just couldn't bring myself to put more than three hypens in a row, so I allowed six-and-a-half to qualify year and opted not to use a hyphen for the additional qualification that whole string makes to "hiatus".

According to the Times Style Guide:
"hour and a half, an [sic] no hyphens as a noun; but hyphenate adjectivally, eg, an hour-and-a-half break. Similarly for two and a half years, two thirds. But note twenty-three etc
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/tools_and_services/specials...

Whereas the Gurniad Style Guide prefers:
"half
"no hyphen when used adverbially: you look half dead; half wine, half water; his trousers were at half mast; the scores were level at half time.
"Hyphen when used adjectivally: a half-eaten sandwich; a half-cut subeditor; half-time oranges. The boy is six and a half; a six and a half-year-old boy"
Which could be understood as two boys, one aged six years and the other six months.


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Note added at 1 day3 hrs (2009-12-06 12:04:24 GMT)
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I think that the critics who want a fourth hyphen are probably right, so: "two-and-a-half-year hiatus" it is. This would make me opt for only using this construction for reported speech (where one has to quote what was actually said) and otherwise to write "a hiatus of two and a half years".


B D Finch
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agree  Ingeborg Gowans (X): well explained
13 mins
  -> Thanks Ingeborg

agree  Travelin Ann
43 mins
  -> Thanks Ann

neutral  John Detre: I don't understand: why no hyphen between half and year? Isn't year part of a compound adjective modifying hiatus?
1 hr
  -> Indeed; but see my note above

agree  André Vanasse (X)
2 hrs
  -> Thanks André

agree  Katarina Peters
2 hrs
  -> Thanks Katarina

agree  Verginia Ophof
3 hrs
  -> Thanks Verginia

agree  Fiona Yeung
4 hrs
  -> Thanks fionayo

neutral  Bourth (X): I'd throw in the last hyphen, otherwise U have a "year hiatus" of "2 & a half". 3 hyphens is bad enough, adding one more makes no real difference. Imagine you're reading it, and try pauses in different places: where a pause is ridiculous, U need a hyphen.
5 hrs
  -> I think I have to concede that there does need to be a fourth hyphen. The test, however, should be stress, rather than pauses.

agree  Jean-Claude Gouin: I like your explanations ...
5 hrs
  -> Thanks 1045

agree  Jack Doughty: With fourth-hyphen option.
1 day 18 hrs
  -> Thanks Jack

agree  Yasutomo Kanazawa: Good explanation.
1 day 19 hrs
  -> Thanks Yasutomo

agree  Rolf Keiser
1 day 20 hrs
  -> Thanks Goldcoaster

agree  Alfa Trans (X): with four hyphens
2 days 32 mins
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