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rendszeridegen

English translation: alienated

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Hungarian term or phrase:rendszeridegen
English translation:alienated
Entered by: Bea Szirti

09:41 Dec 1, 2009
Hungarian to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Government / Politics
Hungarian term or phrase: rendszeridegen
Sziasztok!
Segítsetek, kérlek, mi lenne a jó erre. Kontextus:

Rendszersemleges vagy inkább rendszeridegen festményei 1989 előtt és után egyaránt vissza-visszatérően szerepeltek a kiállításokon.

Köszönöm
Bea Szirti
Local time: 22:55
alienated
Explanation:
His apolitical, or rather politically alienated, paintings...

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Note added at 20 hrs (2009-12-02 05:43:20 GMT)
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Ildiko may be right to suggest "alien to the system." I realize that rendszersemleges and rendszeridegen seem to suggest that the painter was distant from, or critical of, a particular regime or system, and if so it might be better to turn the sentence around and say something like "His paintings, which betrayed a noncommittal or indeed critical attitude towards the regime..."

However, the sentence does go on to say "pre- and post-1989 alike," which made me think that the painter was hostile not to one specific regime but to every regime, and that it might be possible to say he was "politically alienated."

But admittedly "apolitical" and "politically alienated" may be too broad insofar as they refer to all politics, whereas pre- and post-1989 are two different regimes but not all possible regimes -- there may well be a third system that the painter would embrace.


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Note added at 1 day7 hrs (2009-12-02 17:26:14 GMT)
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On second thought, I still think "politically alienated" might be apt: surely, most people would understand "politically alienated" to mean not that the person was alienated from all possible politics, but rather from the existing political system and the immediate political alternatives, which seems to be our painter's case.
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John Detre
Canada
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Summary of answers provided
4policy-averse / regime-averse
Katalin Szilárd
4detached
Blanka Nagy
3 +1alienated
John Detre
4 -1nonconformist
kyanzes


  

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policy-averse / regime-averse


Explanation:
Itt pedig e kettő közül választanék.

Katalin Szilárd
Hungary
Local time: 22:55
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in HungarianHungarian
PRO pts in category: 21
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22 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
detached


Explanation:
His noncommittal, or rather politically detached paintings...
...valahogy igy forditanam.

Blanka Nagy
Germany
Local time: 22:55
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in HungarianHungarian
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
nonconformist


Explanation:

"The Space of Freedom focuses on both the artwork shown in a communal apartment and the exhibition space within the apartment itself as a significant part of the history of Russian art. The work on view is a representative selection of art that was displayed in various apartment exhibitions between 1964 and 1986, including several pieces by the most important figures in the history of nonconformist painting. These forty-six works have never before been exhibited together or in such a manner of installation outside of Russia. "

http://museums.richmond.edu/hmaexhibitions/spaceoffreedom.ht...



kyanzes
Hungary
Local time: 22:55
Native speaker of: Hungarian
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  tfugedi: A nonconformist nem kifejezetten politikai tartalmú
2 hrs
disagree  Balazs Oroszlany: illetve ez az irányzat magyarul is nonkomformista: http://artportal.hu/aktualis/kiallitasok/nonkonformista_muve...
2 hrs
agree  hollowman2: Igen, erről van szó és ez ide teljesen jó. // nonkonformista -> a fennálló rendhez, az uralkodó nézetekhez nem alkalmazkodó, azokat el nem fogadó személy ld.: http://www.idegen-szavak.hu/keres/nonkonformista
3 days 21 hrs
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
alienated


Explanation:
His apolitical, or rather politically alienated, paintings...

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Note added at 20 hrs (2009-12-02 05:43:20 GMT)
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Ildiko may be right to suggest "alien to the system." I realize that rendszersemleges and rendszeridegen seem to suggest that the painter was distant from, or critical of, a particular regime or system, and if so it might be better to turn the sentence around and say something like "His paintings, which betrayed a noncommittal or indeed critical attitude towards the regime..."

However, the sentence does go on to say "pre- and post-1989 alike," which made me think that the painter was hostile not to one specific regime but to every regime, and that it might be possible to say he was "politically alienated."

But admittedly "apolitical" and "politically alienated" may be too broad insofar as they refer to all politics, whereas pre- and post-1989 are two different regimes but not all possible regimes -- there may well be a third system that the painter would embrace.


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Note added at 1 day7 hrs (2009-12-02 17:26:14 GMT)
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On second thought, I still think "politically alienated" might be apt: surely, most people would understand "politically alienated" to mean not that the person was alienated from all possible politics, but rather from the existing political system and the immediate political alternatives, which seems to be our painter's case.

John Detre
Canada
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Ildiko Santana: Szerintem ez a legjobb megoldás. Politikai értelemben pedig úgy fordítanám, hogy "alien to the system". Pl. "rendszeridegen társadalmi réteg felszámolása" "to eliminate a layer of society which is alien to the system"
1 hr
  -> Thanks, see my note above
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