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vernacular paintings

English translation: paintings drawing from the artists own culture, reflecting an intimate familiarity with that culture

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English term or phrase:vernacular paintings
Selected answer:paintings drawing from the artists own culture, reflecting an intimate familiarity with that culture
Entered by: Nadia Ayoub

00:08 Nov 15, 2009
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Social Sciences - Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
English term or phrase: vernacular paintings
But these artifacts can be used by educational programmes as constant reminders of important dates and events, motivators of behaviour, and as triggers for action. Clothing, woven banners, iconic or vernacular paintings and prints and wooden sculptures that communicate the meaning and aspirations of local people are not so readily collected or recognized.

What exactly is a vernacular painting?
Nadia Ayoub
Egypt
Local time: 21:40
paintings drawing from the artists own culture, reflecting an intimate familiarity with that culture
Explanation:
I do not think that the term necessarily means that the artist in question has no formal training.

Suerte.

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Note added at 57 mins (2009-11-15 01:06:04 GMT)
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I think that the idea that such artists are "untrained" or that they "do not follow rules" is way off base. They may not have received formal training in artistic academies but they certainly, in most cases at least, have receivded training, learned at the feet of, and assimilated rules from other local masters.
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Robert Forstag
United States
Local time: 15:40
Grading comment
Many thanks Robert :)
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



SUMMARY OF ALL EXPLANATIONS PROVIDED
4 +8paintings drawing from the artists own culture, reflecting an intimate familiarity with that culture
Robert Forstag
4 +2paintings created by untrained artists, that do not follow rules
Maria Fokin
4 +1native paintings
claudia bagnardi
3 +2primitive or naive art
Veronika McLaren
Summary of reference entries provided
Info
Kim Metzger
Re references
B D Finch

Discussion entries: 5





  

Answers


8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
native paintings


Explanation:
Of a certain place.

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Note added at 8 mins (2009-11-15 00:17:02 GMT)
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Or region, or country.
Saludos
Claudia

claudia bagnardi
Local time: 16:40
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Kim Metzger: Looks like a guess. /Good point. I see you're not guessing.
1 hr
  -> Kim, although the word derives from "vernaculus"(a slave born in his master's house), in Fine Arts it is used for the artistic production in a given place and culture regardless of its academic level. MHO. I've studied Fine Arts - not an expert mind you.
agree  Françoise Vogel
8 hrs
  -> Thanks Francoise
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29 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
paintings created by untrained artists, that do not follow rules


Explanation:
paintings done by non professionals and that do not follow formal rules.

vernacular art - a genre of art and outdoor constructions made by untrained artists who do not recognize themselves as artists
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vernacular art



Maria Fokin
Italy
Local time: 21:40
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in RussianRussian

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jessica Noyes: Yes, "folk art".
7 mins
  -> thank you
agree  Jack Doughty
7 hrs
neutral  Françoise Vogel: cf. Merriam-Webster's definition
8 hrs
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39 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
primitive or naive art


Explanation:
or made by untrained, non-professional artists
Merriam-Webster: of, relating to, or characteristic of a period, place, or group; especially : of, relating to, or being the common building style of a period or place <vernacular architecture/art

Veronika McLaren
Local time: 15:40
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Kim Metzger: http://www.glossary.com/dictionary.php?q=Vernacular art
1 hr
agree  Manjula Dias-Hargarter, Ph.D. (X)
7 hrs
neutral  Françoise Vogel: but agree with your comment (Merriam-Webster's definition)
8 hrs
neutral  Carol Gullidge: agree with Francoise. And the terms in Kim's link are only related to vernacular art, not definitions of it
10 hrs
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40 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +8
paintings drawing from the artists own culture, reflecting an intimate familiarity with that culture


Explanation:
I do not think that the term necessarily means that the artist in question has no formal training.

Suerte.

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Note added at 57 mins (2009-11-15 01:06:04 GMT)
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I think that the idea that such artists are "untrained" or that they "do not follow rules" is way off base. They may not have received formal training in artistic academies but they certainly, in most cases at least, have receivded training, learned at the feet of, and assimilated rules from other local masters.

Robert Forstag
United States
Local time: 15:40
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Many thanks Robert :)

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Kim Metzger: Sounds like a guess based on the meaning of the term in linguistics./ I stand corrected as far as my "guess" comment is concerned. But I do think the "local" in the asker's text implies "not formally trained."
1 hr
  -> I'm certainly no expert, but I think that the definition that you cite is faulty and incomplete, given that most such artists can be said to be *trained*, to *follow rules*, and to be *considered artists* within their particular cultures.....
agree  Françoise Vogel
8 hrs
  -> Merci, Francoise.
agree  Jenni Lukac (X): Robert is correct. The term is often used for folk art because it uses vernacular subject matter.
8 hrs
  -> Thank you, Jenni.
agree  B D Finch: To quote the example sentence from Collins English Dictionary: "...this architect has re-created a true English vernacular."
9 hrs
  -> Thank you, BD.
agree  George C.
9 hrs
  -> Thank you, Solar.
agree  juvera
12 hrs
  -> Thank you, Juvera.
agree  claudia bagnardi: I agree, Robert.
12 hrs
  -> Thank you, Claudia.
agree  Rolf Keiser
16 hrs
  -> Thanks, Goldie.
agree  Phong Le
2 days 3 hrs
  -> Thank you, Phong.
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Reference comments


1 hr
Reference: Info

Reference information:
vernacular art

outsider art, self-taught art, naive art, primitive art (a genre of art and outdoor constructions made by untrained artists who do not recognize themselves as artists)

http://www.glossary.com/dictionary.php?q=Vernacular art

Kim Metzger
Mexico
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8
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10 hrs peer agreement (net): +2
Reference: Re references

Reference information:
Re Jenni's ref from "A Companion to Tudor Britain": some books are more authoritative than others and books are written by mere humans who sometimes get things wrong.

"Vernacular" was originally used about language and meant the language or dialect of a local area. Its application to architecture follows from that and vernacular architecture is architecture based upon local resources and local traditions (which may be of a high level of sophistication). So, I think that one could extrapolate to painting to mean something distinctive and typical of the local area. Could one legitimately refer to Siennese, Venetian and Florentine Renaissance painting styles as "vernaculars"?

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I don't know how this got into the reference comments - I meant it to go into the Discussion section but something went wrong!

B D Finch
France
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Kim Metzger: Yes, "local" is the key word here.
3 hrs
agree  Veronika McLaren
5 hrs
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