initialisation en fond de filets

English translation: initiation at the thread roots

16:54 Oct 2, 2009
French to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Engineering: Industrial / Valves
French term or phrase: initialisation en fond de filets
An expert was asked to prepare a report on a burst valve that caused water damage to a hotel and concluded as follows: "La rupture est intervenue de façon brutale selon le type communément appelé de corrosion sous tension, avec **initialisation en fond de filets**, donc dans la partie a priori sans contact avec l’eau chaude (il y a de la colle dans cette zone)". I gather that the problem occurred due to some form of stress corrosion but am completely stuck on the middle part of the sentence and would appreciate any help you may be able to give me.
Sarah Russell
United Kingdom
Local time: 21:49
English translation:initiation at the thread roots
Explanation:
Thread roots are a place of predilection for stress corrosion cracking. If not specially rounded, the "V notch" between threads has a sharp point from which cracking can easily start.

STRESS-CORROSION CRACKING initiated from the THREAD BOTTOM. Localized pits and branching cracks are visible. Magnification: 1209 ...
www.springerlink.com/index/V44WL6864632130M.pdf

Also, the orientations of STRESS CORROSION CRACKS within THREAD ROOTS can be correlated with the locations of maximum stress
http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/837670-jCU577/nativ...

STRESS CORROSION CRACKING (SCC) behavior of cut (machined) vice thread rolled ... beneficial residual stresses in CRITICALLY STRESSED THREAD ROOT REGION, ...
adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1993STIN...9422001K

and promotion of SCC AT THE THREAD ROOT above the nut. ... in cross-sectional area resulting from the presence of peripheral stress corrosion cracks. ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0849323142...

A photomicrograph of the 11th THREAD ROOT, showing FISSURES TYPICAL OF STRESS CORROSION CRACKING is shown in Figure 9. Al- ...
doi.wiley.com/10.1002/jbm.820080305

THREAD ROOT
The THREAD ROOT IS THE BOTTOM OF THE THREAD, on external threads the roots are usually rounded so that fatigue performance is improved.
http://www.boltscience.com/pages/glossary.htm

Glossary - 16 THREAD ROOT - THE BOTTOM SURFACE JOINING THE SIDES OF TWO ADJACENT THREADS...
www.scribd.com/.../Glossary-US-Armys-Fundamentals-of-Machin...


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Summary of answers provided
4 +3initiation at the thread roots
Bourth (X)
2 +1began around the base of the weld joints
Bashiqa
2initiated by permeation or seepage
blomguib (X)


  

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initiated by permeation or seepage


Explanation:
is how you say this in dam structures....water seeping or trickling through and beginning to damage the structure....just an idea...

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Note added at 44 mins (2009-10-02 17:38:08 GMT)
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this sounds perfectly reasonable to me (being an engineer)...let me try to explain....if the cracks (and the water/liquid seeping through them under pressure), reach specific spots with irregular shapes, where they come out or become apparent under an angle that is particularly damaging (depending on the area and the already present constraints, this can vary!), they can be desastrous for the part...if the situation / angle / pressure is particularly annoying, this pressure of the liquid can crack open the part in question, once the crack is fully developed and the pressure can exert it´s effect on the two halves of the part in question....hope this explains some of it!

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Note added at 45 mins (2009-10-02 17:39:43 GMT)
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so it starts with something quite harmless, and if one is out of luck and the cracks reach an annoying spot, the structure of the part can be destroyed....

blomguib (X)
Local time: 17:49
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in FlemishFlemish, Native in DutchDutch
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks very much for taking a look at this. However, I am still a little puzzled by this term as later on in the text, I have "il est possible que les fonds de filets aient été a certains endroits irréguliers et aient présenté des angles a vifs apportant en plus des concentrations locales de contraintes". So according to your proposal, this suggests to me that seepage often occurs but that an unusual seepage occurred here which created additional constraints .....

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began around the base of the weld joints


Explanation:
Far from certain, but the welded area is one that is under stress and if it is not perfect then seapage can occur. You mention 'angles vifs', i.e. a sharp corner which is more prone to damage due to the water pressure.

Bashiqa
France
Local time: 22:49
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agree  kashew: By deduction, yes.
21 hrs
  -> Merci.
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initiation at the thread roots


Explanation:
Thread roots are a place of predilection for stress corrosion cracking. If not specially rounded, the "V notch" between threads has a sharp point from which cracking can easily start.

STRESS-CORROSION CRACKING initiated from the THREAD BOTTOM. Localized pits and branching cracks are visible. Magnification: 1209 ...
www.springerlink.com/index/V44WL6864632130M.pdf

Also, the orientations of STRESS CORROSION CRACKS within THREAD ROOTS can be correlated with the locations of maximum stress
http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/837670-jCU577/nativ...

STRESS CORROSION CRACKING (SCC) behavior of cut (machined) vice thread rolled ... beneficial residual stresses in CRITICALLY STRESSED THREAD ROOT REGION, ...
adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1993STIN...9422001K

and promotion of SCC AT THE THREAD ROOT above the nut. ... in cross-sectional area resulting from the presence of peripheral stress corrosion cracks. ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0849323142...

A photomicrograph of the 11th THREAD ROOT, showing FISSURES TYPICAL OF STRESS CORROSION CRACKING is shown in Figure 9. Al- ...
doi.wiley.com/10.1002/jbm.820080305

THREAD ROOT
The THREAD ROOT IS THE BOTTOM OF THE THREAD, on external threads the roots are usually rounded so that fatigue performance is improved.
http://www.boltscience.com/pages/glossary.htm

Glossary - 16 THREAD ROOT - THE BOTTOM SURFACE JOINING THE SIDES OF TWO ADJACENT THREADS...
www.scribd.com/.../Glossary-US-Armys-Fundamentals-of-Machin...




Bourth (X)
Local time: 22:49
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 425
Grading comment
Thanks very much for this detailed and informative answer!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Charles Hawtrey (X): Or 'started as the thread roots' to avoid that awkward 'initiation'/'initialisation' word where possible (you can then drop the "avec" as well).
14 hrs

neutral  kashew: Possible too: the bolts in the valve assembly (flanges)?
20 hrs

agree  chris collister: small radius = high stress=accelerated corrosion= bang!
21 hrs

agree  Bashiqa: I have to agree, the reference to 'colle' i.e. the Loctite in another question had escaped my attention. Eagle-eyed Bourth was more awake than I was, and perhaps he didn't have grandchildren around.
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