preparato alimentare

English translation: cheese substitute

09:59 Jul 8, 2009

Italian to English translations [PRO]
Food & Drink

Italian term or phrase: preparato alimentare

preparato alimentare (acqua, grassi
vegetali, proteine del latte, cagliata di latte vaccino, sale, sali di fusione: citrato di sodio, correttore di acidità: acido citrico).

What can I call this? It's a mozzarella substitute used in the making of frozen pizza.

Juliet Halewood (X) KudoZ activity Questions: 994 (6 open) (6 without valid answers) (66 closed without grading) Answers: 323
Local time: 03:28

English translation:cheese substitute

Explanation:
presumably this was never actually cheese, so 'substitute' might work, although I'm not sure it makes me want to eat it at all..

Selected response from:

Oliver Lawrence
Italy
Local time: 03:28

Grading comment

Thanks so much for the great response! In the end I went with this. I saw Tom's point, but I've honestly never seen "food ingredient" or "food preparation" within a list of ingredients. Thanks Oliver.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

3 +5

cheese substitute

Oliver Lawrence

food ingredient

Tom in London

ingredients

Vincenzo Di Maso

cheese analogue/analogue cheese

carly kelly

cheese food

Nora Mahony

imitation mozzarella / casein based food product

Shera Lyn Parpia

Alimentary compound

Gad Kohenov

4 -1

processed cheese

Fiona Grace Peterson

food product

march hare (X)

food preparation that serves as cheese replacement

Pnina

Discussion entries: 10

Tricia Stuart

Italy

mozzarella substitute

11:38 Jul 8, 2009

Juliette, in my 3 years as a pizzetaia we could get mozzarella for pizza or formaggio filante per pizza which came at a fraction of the price of the mozzarella (I never bought it) and with several e numbers.
If you look up cheese/formaggio in Wiki they both specify that it is produced from milk and caglio/rennet. You have cagliata di latte in your ingredients here so perhaps it is a well processed cheese (sorry Fiona :D) in the same way our mozzarella substitute was.

All this to say, I think you were right in the first place with mozzarella substitute, i.e. mozzarella effect on the cheap.

Tom in London

United Kingdom

Me too

10:56 Jul 8, 2009

I did suggest a translation of the specific term asked; and I did look at the context. Over and out.

Fiona Grace Peterson

Italy

But you still need to consider context

10:54 Jul 8, 2009

Juliet has specifically said it is a mozzarella substitute. Anyway we're obviously on different wavelengths here, so I'm bowing out of this discussion now.

Tom in London

United Kingdom

It isn't a cheese product

10:47 Jul 8, 2009

it's a food product. Which in this case, happens to be cheese; but the term under consideration is "preparato alimentare". Just think if it wasn't a pizza at all, but something else. The expression would still be "preparato alimentare". I think we should all forget about cheese - or perhaps you should change your question....

Juliet Halewood (X)

ASKER

10:40 Jul 8, 2009

I've found the term "cheese analogue" in an article on pizza labelling - doesn't sound very appetising though. how about "cheese product"?

Fiona Grace Peterson

Italy

10:26 Jul 8, 2009

I see your point Tom; I just think putting "food ingredient" on a pizza box, when the list of ingredients clearly specifies what that ingredient is, is a bit redundant. Italian is famous for its "dead wood"; I just don't see the point of putting something generic (despite the source language) when something specific would be perfectly appropriate.

Vincenzo Di Maso

Portugal

Yes, Tom

10:21 Jul 8, 2009

yeah. In this context we are dealing with a list of ingredients. Any reference to cheese, pizza, milk, etc. shall not imply anything.

Tom in London

United Kingdom

I know, but...

10:18 Jul 8, 2009

...you asked for a translation of "preparato alimentare". A "preparato alimentare" could contain anything, and could refer to a pizza or any other type of food. So the references to cheese etc. don't affect the translation of the expression "preparato alimentare".

Juliet Halewood (X)

ASKER

10:14 Jul 8, 2009

It also includes: passata di pomodoro 15%, olio di semi di girasole, sale, olio di oliva, lievito, origano, basilico etc.

Juliet Halewood (X)

ASKER

10:09 Jul 8, 2009

This is a list of ingredients on a frozen pizza packet

Answers

3 mins confidence:

food ingredient

Explanation:
generic, just like the Italian.

Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 02:28
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 76

Notes to answerer

Asker: Hi Tom, I know the Italian seems generic, but looking around "preparato alimentare" always seems to refer to a cheese substitute.

7 mins confidence:

ingredients

Explanation:
because of the context

Vincenzo Di Maso
Portugal
Local time: 02:28
Native speaker of:

Italian
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Lynne Honan: I agree with Vincenzo on this one

9 mins

disagree

Fiona Grace Peterson: And I have to disagree; when have you ever seen the term "ingredients" in a list of ingredients? It's perfectly clear what this substance is - why not give it a name?

21 mins

-> Yes, but "preparato alimentare" stands for "ingredienti".

neutral

Oliver Lawrence: with Fiona, this is one of the ingredients in a list, albeit an ingredient with individual components of its own

27 mins

disagree

Tricia Stuart: I agree with Fiona and Oliver here though I'm sure it you would be right in a different context.

1 hr

agree

Fran Cesca: I do not know if I completely agree with the translation, but I agree with your above explaination and out of any context, I think it is right

2 hrs

18 mins confidence:

Alimentary compound

Explanation:
Has Google hits and can be what you are looking for.

Gad Kohenov
Israel
Local time: 04:28
Works in field
Native speaker of:

French,

Hebrew
PRO pts in category: 12

20 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +5

cheese substitute

Explanation:
presumably this was never actually cheese, so 'substitute' might work, although I'm not sure it makes me want to eat it at all..

Oliver Lawrence
Italy
Local time: 03:28
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 36

Grading comment

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

Fiona Grace Peterson: Or "imitation cheese" - the dilemma here seems to be between what sounds appetising and what's correct...

43 mins

agree

carly kelly: I personally don't think it matters whether or not it sounds appetising. It's part of a list of ingredients after all.

55 mins

agree

Marianna Tucci

1 hr

agree

Giuseppe Bellone: I do think this is what they mean when instead of the real product they use a substitute. That's why the list of what they mean follows and is part of the text to be translated. I always read the labels and wrappings and packages when I buy foods. :)

1 hr

disagree

Michael Korovkin: sorry!Correct in substance(pardon the pun)it's a killer to put on the box EXACTLY because it's a chees substitute;and I'm sure the maker would hate the translator for taking the liberty of rubbing it in.Just as well could put"ersatz"or simply"this crap"

2 hrs

agree

Lionel_M (X): I was just thinking about "mozzarella substitute" but for respect to mozzarella, "cheese substitute" should be find.

3 hrs

neutral

Fran Cesca: I agree with Michael's comment above - good to think to the marketing aspect as well :)

3 hrs

agree

Shera Lyn Parpia: "preparato alimentare" isn't exactly what I'd want to eat anyway - at least "cheese substitute" sounds a whole lot better.

3 hrs

16 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

processed cheese

Explanation:
I know it's not terribly faithful to the Italian, but I think given that this is an ingredient to be listed on a packet of pizza, that you need to be more specific. This could be a possibility. Good luck!

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Note added at 1 hr (2009-07-08 11:01:44 GMT)
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I've also found "imitation cheese" (http://pubs.acs.org/cen/whatstuff/stuff/7806sci2.html), also known as "analog cheese" (doesn't sound very appetising, does it??!), which seems to be the most correct term for what you're describing.

Reference: http://www.dairyforall.com/cheese-processed.php

Fiona Grace Peterson
Italy
Local time: 03:28
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 48

1 hr confidence:

cheese analogue/analogue cheese

Explanation:
I think you're quite right about the term analogue being used for labelling/packaging, although I think Oliver's cheese substitute would work too.

It is suggested that cheese substitutes, or cheese analogues prepared entirely from dairy com- .... choice of non-dairy ingredients may be selected, such as soya protein and soya oil. .... Cheese substitute nomenclature and labelling in the USA ... Compared to the United States, the UK cheese market has ...
doi.wiley.com/10.1111/j.1471-0307.1984.tb02278.x - Simili -

25 Apr 2007 ... Genetic Modification - If a food or food ingredients contain genetically modified material (usually derived from maize or soya) then the menu indication or label ... Some pizzas contain not real cheese but a substitute 'cheese' analogue. ... Email: [email protected]. B/foo/132/001/ Sept 2002 ...
www.hants.gov.uk/regulatory/.../labelcatering.html - Copia cache - Simili -

carly kelly
Italy
Local time: 03:28
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 11

1 hr confidence:

food product

Explanation:
maybe

march hare (X)
Local time: 03:28
Native speaker of: English

1 hr confidence:

cheese food

Explanation:
For US consumers, the USDA has two options for this kind of cheese that isn't really cheese.

Frozen pizza boxes often use the term 'cheese food', and the lesser quality option is 'cheese product'. Dominos, for example, has a USDA labels on its pizza for delivery that reads 'Made with Real Cheese', with a logo. Scary.

I can't add this URL below, but: http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:qC3RrUbsNMUJ:www.am...

Beyond a US context, I can't help, but wouldn't the EU offer similar set labels?

I see the debate above about whether to specify, but in this case, I think it makes sense – food labels are written to be understood by consumers.

Nora Mahony
Ireland
Local time: 02:28
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 8

4 hrs confidence:

imitation mozzarella / casein based food product

Explanation:
some more ideas, some terms that are used routinely.

http://www.google.it/search?hl=it&client=firefox-a&rls=org.m...

http://www.google.it/search?hl=it&client=firefox-a&rls=org.m...

Shera Lyn Parpia
Italy
Local time: 03:28
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 115

34 mins confidence:

food preparation that serves as cheese replacement

Explanation:
or as Mozzarella Cheese replacement.

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Note added at 40 mins (2009-07-08 10:40:08 GMT)
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I am adding a quotation.
"Preparato alimentare Italian-English... preparato alimentare al formaggio=A cheese substitute. Would that sound right?"
http://75.126.138.99/showthread.php?t=1261765

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Note added at 7 hrs (2009-07-08 17:36:37 GMT)
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In other words, this food preparation is a cheese replacement product.

Pnina
Israel
Local time: 04:28
Native speaker of:

Hebrew
PRO pts in category: 8

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